Subject: MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Aug 2007 to 30 Aug 2007 (#2007-83) From: MYSTARA-L automatic digest system Date: 31/08/2007, 17:00 To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM Reply-to: Mystara RPG Discussion There are 6 messages totalling 337 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Question for Geoff & Aaron especially (6) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:09:53 -0700 From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:53:53 +0300, Ville V Lahde wrote: > By the way, Aaron's old Darokin timeline seems to have disappeared completely > from the Vaults, replaced with the expanded timeline that ends in 21 > AC. Also the Zalonikos timeline draft seems to be gone. So there's > actually no material left > on post 21 AC Darokinian history. Luckily I printed them out before > starting my present campaign. That's odd! I have a copy somewhere on my computer, and failing that someone can search the archives to find the posts, and recreate the file that way. I'll see what I have. > I haven't read much of your stuff on the older times, though I managed > to glance through Aaron's expanded timeline. But since it is mostly > your and Aaron's original work, I have very little idea of how you > pictured the transition from the older cultures (Eraeda etc.) to the > "Darokinian" culture of the post-AC centuries. I'll have to think a bit more on that, unless Aaron wants to jump in (if he's still here). I was working on a timeline that covered the period from the fragmentation of the old kingdom to the present day (which would have left a gap between AC 250 and AC 500 or so). Originally, I was going to send it to Aaron for his comments and additions, as I had added a lot of events from his history of the Darokinian Houses series. Still, if there's interest out there I'd be happy to post it. Geoff ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 11:25:02 -0500 From: Aaron Nowack Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially Geoff Gander wrote: > On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:53:53 +0300, Ville V Lahde wrote: >> By the way, Aaron's old Darokin timeline seems to have disappeared > completely >> from the Vaults, replaced with the expanded timeline that ends in 21 >> AC. Also the Zalonikos timeline draft seems to be gone. So there's >> actually no material left >> on post 21 AC Darokinian history. Luckily I printed them out before >> starting my present campaign. > > That's odd! I have a copy somewhere on my computer, and failing that someone can search the archives to find the posts, and recreate the file that way. I'll see what I have. *delurk* Looking over what files I still have, I don't know whether I have the original or not, but the earliest draft I have has a bit of detail (though not as much as the much nicer version that goes to 21 AC) up to 351 AC, and then a mostly undetailed bit from there to 1000 AC. I can post it if there's interest. >> I haven't read much of your stuff on the older times, though I managed >> to glance through Aaron's expanded timeline. But since it is mostly >> your and Aaron's original work, I have very little idea of how you >> pictured the transition from the older cultures (Eraeda etc.) to the >> "Darokinian" culture of the post-AC centuries. > > I'll have to think a bit more on that, unless Aaron wants to jump in (if he's still here). To be honest, it's been so long since I've thought about this that I don't remember how I was planning on handling that. I believe the furthest I thought it out was to have the Kingdom developing into a more or less standard fantasy kingdom, with the Eraedan clans becoming noble families and so forth, with modern Darokinian culture being formed after the collapse of the kingdom and the arrival of the various waves of immigrants. -- Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.mimiru.net/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:31:02 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially I don't think Aaron ever finished the Darokin timeline, did he? I was almost positive that anything more recent than 21 AC had not yet been completed. I have a bunch of that stuff myself, and I'll double check when I get home, but to my recollection Aaron's work ended at 21 AC (not counting non-timeline expansions he did in NPC entries and the like.) Geoff Gander wrote: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:53:53 +0300, Ville V Lahde wrote: > By the way, Aaron's old Darokin timeline seems to have disappeared completely > from the Vaults, replaced with the expanded timeline that ends in 21 > AC. Also the Zalonikos timeline draft seems to be gone. So there's > actually no material left > on post 21 AC Darokinian history. Luckily I printed them out before > starting my present campaign. That's odd! I have a copy somewhere on my computer, and failing that someone can search the archives to find the posts, and recreate the file that way. I'll see what I have. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:50:08 -0700 From: Andrew Theisen Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially Aaron Nowack wrote: I believe the furthest I thought it out was to have the Kingdom developing into a more or less standard fantasy kingdom, with the Eraedan clans becoming noble families and so forth, with modern Darokinian culture being formed after the collapse of the kingdom and the arrival of the various waves of immigrants. FWIW, I sort of envisioned the transition of the kingdoms thusly- the aristocracy became increasingly replaced by/irrelevant to the Merchants, and the kingdoms became little more than commercial city-states (which, IIRC, is pretty much the situation prior to the Great Unification, though I can't recall offhand). As the commercialization of the nation got underway, the frontiers expanded via trading posts, many of which eventually grew either into full fledged settlements in their own right, or were bought out and/or co-opted by Council once Darokin unified, to become the forts that currently exist to house the Republican army. Then again, my Republic reflects a transition from 15th century Italy to early colonial USA, so it may be a bit different from other interpretations of such. In any case, I think looking at the unification of Italy during the 16th through early 19th centuries would probably give a good idea of how such changeover might come about. In particular, look at some maps from that time- showing how what became the nation of Italy was then divided between many different kingdoms and political entities, then transitioning into a monarchy. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 22:35:49 +0200 From: Havard Faanes Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially Did you guys ever find a way to reconcile Darokin's history with the information from the Dragonlord Trilogy? I'm thinking specifically about Sir George the Mandrake who claims to have been a Knight of Darokin... Also, what about the tidbits from IM2 about Aurum the Gold Dragon and Balthac (Balthac should be easy ofcourse) Havard --- Aaron Nowack skrev: > Geoff Gander wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 09:53:53 +0300, Ville V Lahde > > wrote: > >>By the way, Aaron's old Darokin timeline seems to > have disappeared > completely > >>from the Vaults, replaced with the expanded > timeline that ends in 21 > >>AC. Also the Zalonikos timeline draft seems to be > gone. So there's > >>actually no material left > >>on post 21 AC Darokinian history. Luckily I > printed them out before > >>starting my present campaign. > > > That's odd! I have a copy somewhere on my > computer, and failing that > someone can search the archives to find the posts, > and recreate the file > that way. I'll see what I have. > > *delurk* > > Looking over what files I still have, I don't know > whether I have the > original or not, but the earliest draft I have has a > bit of detail > (though not as much as the much nicer version that > goes to 21 AC) up to > 351 AC, and then a mostly undetailed bit from there > to 1000 AC. I can > post it if there's interest. > > >>I haven't read much of your stuff on the older > times, though I managed > >>to glance through Aaron's expanded timeline. But > since it is mostly > >>your and Aaron's original work, I have very little > idea of how you > >>pictured the transition from the older cultures > (Eraeda etc.) to the > >>"Darokinian" culture of the post-AC centuries. > > > I'll have to think a bit more on that, unless > Aaron wants to jump in (if > he's still here). > To be honest, it's been so long since I've thought > about this that I > don't remember how I was planning on handling that. > > I believe the furthest I thought it out was to have > the Kingdom > developing into a more or less standard fantasy > kingdom, with the > Eraedan clans becoming noble families and so > forth, with modern > Darokinian culture being formed after the collapse > of the kingdom and > the arrival of the various waves of immigrants. > > > -- > Aaron Nowack > "Never let reality get in the way of a good > hypothesis." > http://www.mimiru.net/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: > http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com > To unsubscribe, send email to > LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 15:59:15 -0500 From: Aaron Nowack Subject: Re: Question for Geoff & Aaron especially Havard Faanes wrote: > Did you guys ever find a way to reconcile Darokin's > history with the information from the Dragonlord > Trilogy? I'm thinking specifically about Sir George > the Mandrake who claims to have been a Knight of > Darokin... I remember I had plans for incorporating at least a version of the Dragonlord books into my timeline when I made it to the 4-500s AC. I don't quite recall the details, though. (I do remember that I was going to have a schism in Aurum's cult over whether or not the main character was an avatar of Aurum.) What was the specific problem with Sir George being a Knight of Darokin? > Also, what about the tidbits from IM2 about Aurum the > Gold Dragon and Balthac (Balthac should be easy > ofcourse) That's actually in the parts of the timeline I finished. Calor is responsible for ending the Golden Age of Eraeda and destroying/weakening the pre-Darokin nations of the era. I had Aurum first appear in this time period as a foe of Calor's and an ally of Balthac's. He later leads the remaining nations to victory over an evil cult, then meets his (IIRC, canon) end destroying a lich and his undead forces It should all be in the version available at the Vaults. -- Aaron Nowack "Never let reality get in the way of a good hypothesis." http://www.mimiru.net/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.pandius.com To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of MYSTARA-L Digest - 27 Aug 2007 to 30 Aug 2007 (#2007-83) ***************************************************************