========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:28:30 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: great stuff on ebay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Have u guys gone there already? Uh.. why are sme of the item expensive (not too much: 10, 15 bucks, old). Oe of them, mre than 30!!! Why? Check there, it's GLANTRI! Thanks, Thib. vini. thibault sarlat wrote: > > this guy has almost everything. > too bad he doesn't accept paypal.... > but for US citizens it's a must see!!!!! > all gaz.... > > http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=arcstorm&in > clude=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 > > hope this will help > > Thibault Sarlat. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:30:19 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: WotI: thanks and.. CYCO! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, pal. Cyco, which of them did I get? vini. Federico Kaftal wrote: > > WotI is divided in 2 books: one is Immortal Rules (revised), the oder is a huge adventure module ("Wrath of the Immortals" - from which the acronym WotI). The adventure is divided in Part I, Part II and Finale (Part III). > > Hope this helps, > > Federico > __________________ > > Il Wed, 21 March 2001, "Vinicius R. de Moraes" ha scritto: > > > > > Are thre parts I and II? > > I've just bought it and don't understand exactly. > > > > (No, I'm NOT that stupid! I haven't seen it yet... I will in 2 weeks, > > probably.) ;-) > > > > vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 05:37:57 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nuckalavee. You just can't go leave home without it. ;-) Ah, and there is the Raksasha - I'm not sure about the monsters names's spellings - which is now a Basic D&D mosnter. Am I saying nonsense? Are there monsters (items, NPCs, whatever) from the basic AD&D - no matter the edition - that came from Mystara? vini. Eric Anondson wrote: > > > I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind > > Flayer and we didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! > > Yeah, but who got the Carnifex? Who, Who?! Who, Who?! (*ahem*, > sorry about that...) > > Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of > Nightmares... > > Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:05:14 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Colin Wilson Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? Darokin (Always found it to be the most useful base from which to spread out) Alfheim/Shadow Elves (I've put these together cos I use them as one. IMC I have players from the same party playing both sides of this terrorist war, not that they know that!) Glantri (The political situation is probably the best in the world) > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? DotE Ierendi Rockhome (My players seem to have a pathalogical inability to play dwarves without making them into maniacs!! Funny really, cos they do elves really well.) > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? Ylaruam (I found the lack of a section on important people in Ylaruam most unhelpful) DotE (You could practically have made another series of 14 Gazeteers out of this) To be honest I liked all the rest. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:55:17 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DM wrote: >> I was revising my Mystara files and I stumbled upon an old poll I had = begun a year ago, involving our judgement on the Mystara gazetteers. = Since I got many votes and I think the poll might still be interesting, = I am posting it here again, along with the first results.<< Well, I probably answered it the first time around (can't remember, = really), but it's been at least a year (?), and opinions change, so... > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? a. CM1: Test of the Warlords. Oh, that's not a Gazetteer, you say? ;) = Well, it should have been. It's the one I used waay before there was = such a thing as Gazetteers. But all right I've probably used GAZ7: = Northern Reaches most. I've just got a thing for vikings. b. DotE. Though the information is sparse, I've used the territories = covered by DotE a lot (in conjunction with CM1, M5, and such), so I've = had to use that set a lot. c. Hmm. GAZ4: Ierendi or GAZ10: Orcs of Thar. I've used both for short = campaigns, can't say which I've used the most. > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? a. GAZ9: Minrothad Guilds. I've owned it forever (ok, since it was = published), but never managed to use it. b. GAZ13: Shadow Elves. It seems to me that the Shadow Elves have no = prominence before WotI. I'd also prefer to keep them as a surprise until = I get to WotI, but I've never been able to get a campaign beyond AC1004 = or so, so I've never got around to using them. c. GAZ14: Atruaghin Clans. Just got it some months ago, haven't used it, = never will. > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? a. GAZ14: Atruaghin Clans. 64 pages Player's Guide?!? That could have = been cool, but was really strange compared with the other GAZs. DM gets = 32 pages of...nothing?!? With at least a quarter of that space taken up = by illustrations?!? Disappointing! b. GAZ8: Five Shires. It's just so...dull! And the Masters are just = so...munchkin! If it wasn't for the pirates this would have been nr.1. c. GAZ2: Ylaruam. It seems to me that this GAZ is totally out of touch = with the rest of Mystara. It's like a little secluded island that has = nothing to do with the rest of the world. I'm not opposed to that = Arabian Nights feel, in fact I love the "Campaigning in Ylaruam" = section, and the adventure ideas, but I didn't feel it was compatible = with the rest of Mystara. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:12:51 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: HELP! Devising Mystaran Weather System! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Harvey wrote: > Aaargh! I went home last night and typed it all in manually! I beat you to it? Sorry, but at least it shows you're a nice guy too. > BTW I noticed that the listed temperatures for some of the countries > are different between the TM and AC1012. Any idea why? I'm inclined > to treat the TM version as "correct" when there is a difference. I think that the sudden absence of Alphatia and the corruption of the = Alfheim forest has changed weather patterns in some areas. Naturally the = Alphatian Sea experiences different climates now that Alphatia is gone. = It seems that the lo temp. has been set even lower in PWAIII, = particularly for the extreme northern areas. Perhaps an ice age is = approaching? Or just the natural fluctuation of temperatures? They can = vary quite a bit in 12 years. Greenland, fx., experiences ups and downs = of about 10 degrees Fahrenheit in roughly 50-year cycles. Thus, it could = be explained as these natural cycles (not that I think that was the = original intent; I have no idea why they changed the temps in the PWA). Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:27:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacob Skytte wrote: > > c. GAZ2: Ylaruam. It seems to me that this GAZ is totally out of touch with the rest of Mystara. Really? IMO, it is quite integrated with the neighbouring nations, except perhaps the Northern Reaches. The geographical location is absurd, ok, but it can be justified through magic and Immortal interference. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 14:19:48 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? A./ Karameikos B./ Glantri C./ Darokin > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? A./ Tall Tales of the Wee Folk B./ Rockhome C./ Ethengar > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? A./ Tall Tales of the Wee Folk (just too alien) B./ Ierendi (the whole theme park atmosphere) C./ Alphatia, from DotE (just too big for being left so undetailed) I only mentioned things I have - but I'm sure I'd find Top Ballista or Five Shires disappointing too (unbalanced or unbelievable) Federico AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:57:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: NW brun, Moorkroft and elves Comments: To: mystara almanac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, i read the history of northwestern brun, particulary about the = Yezchamenid empire, and i have a doubt about elves. In the history of = the empire elves are mentioned at the time of their arrival in the = region, but is not mentioned after their escape under the Moorkroft = attack. I think that should be an important event in the region... And = who was this Moorkroft ? Why his descendants now live in Glantri ? I assume that he was a barbarian leader who carved a little lasting = empire, so that his descendant were forced to leave for Glantri. But why = in the almanac, that details so well northwestern Brun, that part of = history was utterly ignored ? =20 =20 Francesco ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:47:58 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: NW brun, Moorkroft and elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Francesco Defferrari wrote: > > I assume that he [Moorkroft] was a barbarian leader who carved a little lasting empire, Moorkroft is a powerful wizard, who led a humanoid horde to the conquest of the Sylvan Realm. There is a powerful wizard-noble in Glantri whose name is Moorkroft, too. That's where the connection came from. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:47:11 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Forward from James Hi all, In a few moments, I'll be forwarding a post by James on the subject of the Almanac, campaign directions, and the like, as he had asked me to do so for him. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:47:31 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: FW: Almanacs] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") Subject: FW: Almanacs Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:29:52 -0500 > A few weeks back, on the MML, Beau wrote: > > >> While a lot of the MAs contain useful material, some of it seems more > like fanfic than anything designed to be useable IMC. It may be a good > story, but that's not the same as good gaming material, and I thus I sort > of sigh at that stuff and move on past it. << > > Though I (and others) work on the MA, I agree. . .but with the caviate > that this is true of all "Almanac" type things, with scripted > plotlines/"Events", including (especially) the "official" ones. > > The same person you were agreeing with also mentioned the PWAs having > "plotlines" that take a certain direction (and which "weren't resolved" > since the PWA line came to an end when the Mystara line was canceled), or > the FR Gameworld, which doesn't have Almanacs as such, but via novels and > other things also scripts a "plotline" for the world. > > IMO, there's more of a problem with "official" plotline-scripting than > with "unofficial" (or, as you put it, "fanfic") ones. "Official" stuff > affects everything published for that line/gameworld in the future, and > "official" scripted plotlines effectively take control over the direction > of things out of the hands of players & DMs in campaigns (and while some > may say it is "realistic" to do so, at least they say that when they like > the direction things go in, but are as critical as more consistant folks > when it comes to things going "splash" in ways they don't like, but I > digressed - here, "realistic" is less apt; people go into fantasy and > RPGing often to escape the feelings of impotence and powerlessness in the > "real[istic] world"). > > Thus, to take FR for an example, if one doesn't like the Nuking of Zhentil > Keep or how Tethyr got unified (and/or what type of people ended up in > power in the aftermath), well, that's sort of too bad because all future > products will assume that the "canon" outcome/plot was followed, and the > more you diverge in your own campaign(s), the less and less useful future > products become for you (from what little I've heard, TSR itself has > caught onto this drawback, and for FR products in the future, many of the > more "Gazeteer-like" accessories will be set at one "baseline" date, a > common point - much like all Mystara's Gazeteers were set at AC 1000, thus > meaning, though, that over time accessories won't become useless to folks > who don't follow their "FR History" in their campaigns). > > Even "official" stuff with a "What The PCs Can Do [to impact the outcome]" > section have relatively little affect on this tendency, because, when it > comes to future products, a specific plot outcome must be assumed (PWA III > *must* assume that events unfolded with certain, specific, determined > outcomes and consiquences, which the Events of the successive PWAs follow) > - and so as a DM you can either deny the PCs a chance to have an impact > ("the heroes save the day!" can't happen before it's supposed to, or > affect the scripted consiquences) - thus, though in WotI at several stages > the author not only presumes that DMs should allow characters to influence > the course of events, but encourages DMs to allow their parties to do so > (for example, speeding things up or slowing things down or diverting some > things, ameliorating or excacerbating things), the same Author *MUST* > assume a specific outcome (basically that WotI unfolds without such an > party-induced influence on Events). The next! > ! > author is able to (sometimes capriciously) alter the direction of the 1st > PWA's "plotlines" (without altering what happened in that PWA), but such > influence is taken out of the hands of DMs and players. Either they follow > the script, or the DM allows the illusion of a party-impact on Events > (I.E. allows the PCs to to affect the specific "canon" Event, but then > makes sure that the presumed consiquences of that Event take place anyhow > by some other means), or, again, future materiel becomes less and less > useful of the DM and players in specific campaigns retain their freedom to > control the destiny of their own private Mystara (as, for example, > sometimes even a small change in an early Event, due to PC action or DM > choice, can affect things "far down the Plotline", and a deviation that > seemed small at first becomes more and more significant over time. And if > the party is active and interested in the world around them, trying to > help their homeland and hurt its enemies or even si! > ! > mply help their friends and hurt their enemies, the number of "deviations" > will increase over time). > > If one has a party/campaign in which/for which "world Events" (of the type > that appear in Almanacs) are just "added backdrop color that makes the > world seem more alive", without the PCs involving themselves in "matters > of world (or national, or regional) import", then it doesn't matter if > those Events are provided by "Fanfic" or "Official Canon World-Wreckers" > (Oops there goes another Zhentil Keep, Whoops there goes Unther). But, > especially given that Mystara has *always* been a world where PCs can (and > are assumed to eventually) become not just itinerant sell-swords and > monster slayers but movers and shakers, (dominion) rulers and world > shapers, it always seemed to me to be perverse to have some agency outside > one's own campaign "scripting" the direction of it for you. > > But at least with MAs produced by "mere" fans, it is obvious to everyone > that one can ignore the parts one doesn't like and use only what one does. > And also it doesn't affect all of everything (since everything "produced" > for Mystara is done by fans now, and they set up alternatives or > "deviate", sometimes not only from other "mere fanfic" but even, > shockingly, from "official" materiel), the overall impact is less > pernicious. Of course, by that standard I guess even the PWAs/JA are "less > pernicious" to some degree because they've been discontinued and hardly > anything was published that assumed that the Events in the Almanacs > unfolded along a pre-determined plot with scripted outcomes. But this is > one of several things that eventually disillusioned me about FR (even > though they didn't have Almanacs as such, they let the novels etc "stand > in" as proxies, serving the purpose of providing scripted outcomes driving > the campaign world in specific directions with specific changes). A! > ! > gain, some folks like this sort of thing because it creates the sense of a > "dynamic, living, breathing" world, with things happening all around and > not just centered on the activities of PCs. I don't disagree with that > (certainly things should happen in areas that the PCs don't affect. . .but > IMO the purpose of a *game* world is the enjoyment of the participants, > and if the DM drops in some "news item" about the "goings on in South > Succatash" and the party decides "heck, we've gotta get involved in > that!", then they should be able to and they should be able to have a > chance of having an impact on things - which doesn't mean they'll succeed, > but they should have a shot, and a shot at affecting the course of events. > That's why it's "Role Playing" and not "Amature Acting", following the > script of someone else's story. And, similarly, the DM should be able, > obviously, to decide {alongside with and knowing the interests of the > players in that DM's campaign} the direction of their g! > ! > ame world (stuff that aren't going to interest the players and which the > DM doesn't like, the DM doesn't have to use. Stuff that would only be > distractions should be omited as superfluous to the purpose, which is > providing a good and enjoyable adventure to the players. And stuff that > would only irritate everyone involved obviously should be left out). Heck, > a large number of the people on this list (well, perhaps not "large" but > certainly a significant number) never ran and never plan on running WotI. > Had TSR published materiels for Mystara continually down to today, that > would mean that for such people, those materiels (since it was obvious > towards the last stage of the publication line, the last products) would > become decreasingly useful for people who not only didn't run WotI but, > thus as a consiquence, also didn't follow the Events of the Almanacs > either (since they're built on a foundation of Wrath). Things that fans > find useless don't sell (but, paradoxically, FR is inar! > ! > guably the most popular gameworld. I'd argue that's because of other > factors, that it's in spite of the fact that they have an "official > script" for that gameworld. They can do some things wrong and still be > popular if they do other things right, or at least right in the eyes of > their market audience). > > But, in a concluding point, I should also mention that it might not be a > good idea to use the Almanac "Geographic Entries" as the basis for an > "introduction to Mystara", as some folks have suggested, since those > entries presume the affects of previous Almanacs, which not everyone > follows. It might be a better idea to write up AC 1000 versions, since > most people (and that would probably include a plurality of > newbies/beginning Mystara players) start their campaigns in AC 1000, not > AC 1010, 1013, or even AC 1017. > > -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:53:30 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D >Yeah, but who got the Carnifex? Who, Who?! Who, Who?! (*ahem*, >sorry about that...) > >Then there is all the fun and love that is found in the Dimension of >Nightmares... > > >Eric Anondson Excellent work, Initiate. Spread the word well, for only then shall Darkness envelop Mystara, and Those Who Should Not Be will be free once more. *ominous music* Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:04:06 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: FW: Almanacs] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoff Gander wrote: > > > But, in a concluding point, I should also mention that it might not be a > > good idea to use the Almanac "Geographic Entries" as the basis for an > > "introduction to Mystara", as some folks have suggested, since those > > entries presume the affects of previous Almanacs, which not everyone > > follows. It might be a better idea to write up AC 1000 versions, That's exactly what was decided for the Mystara Beginner's Guide project. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:57:45 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D > >What is the published source for the Carnifex? Are they from the >Blackmoor modules? > >Mike The official mention of the Carnifex was module M1: Twilight Calling. The premise was essentially an excuse to massacre your players (I've never run it, but I know people who have, and they say that party fatalities are almost certain). Aside from that, it was a bit of a disappointment, because there are no pictures of them, only a couple of paragraphs of history, and no insights really into how they think or what they do. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:04:55 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Here it is, for your edification and enjoyment. This was the Creature Feature from the Strategic Review, issue 1, in spring 1975. The cover price was 50 cents! This contains a table so you'll need to view it in a monospaced font. The Mind Flayer Number Appearing 1-4 Armor Class 5 Move 12" Hit Dice 8+3 % in lair 50% Treasure F Magical Resistance 90% This is a super-intelligent, man-shaped creature with four tentacles by its mouth which it uses to strike its prey. If a tentacle hits it will then penetrate to the brain, draw it forth, and the monster will devour it. It will take from one to four turns for the tentacle to reach the brain, of which time the victim is dead. A Mind Flayer will flee if an encounter is going against it. Their major weapon, however, is the Mind Blast, a wave of PSI force with a 6" directional range and a radius of 5'. All within the radius must save as indicated or will suffer the result shown: Mind Blast: Intelligence Saving throw of Range Effect of of Opponent 1-2" 3-4" 5-6" Mind Blast 3-4 19 19 17 Death 5-7 17 16 15 Coma, 3 days 8-10 15 14 13 Sleep, 1 hour 11-12 13 12 11 Stun, 3 turns 13-14 11 10 9 Confuse, 5 turns 15-16 9 8 7 Enrage, 7 turns 17 7 6 5 Feeblemind 18 5 4 3 Insanity, permanent Magic users add +1 to thir saving throws, and clerics add +2. A Helm of Telepathy adds a +4 to saving throws, and when such saves are made the attacking Mind Flayer is stunned for 3 turns. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:13:40 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Francesco's posting reminded me of this. Isn't there some sort of "Sylvan Realm" in NW Brun? Where is this described? Anyway I was thinking that might the old Role-Aids "Elves" supplement could be adapted to fit here. The supplement is set on a northwestern coast and details several hundred miles of territory. NW Brun is far enough from the Known World that we don't need to worry about cultural effects, and since it is essentially undeveloped, seems like a good fit. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:23:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > > Anyway I was thinking that might the old Role-Aids "Elves" supplement > could be adapted to fit here. The supplement is set on a northwestern > coast and details several hundred miles of territory. NW Brun is far > enough from the Known World that we don't need to worry about > cultural effects, and since it is essentially undeveloped, seems like > a good fit. The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was conquered by Moorkroft Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves in the Sylvan Realm... -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:58:42 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? 1. Karameikos. This is packed with useful info, and I can't think of a single worthless page. 2. Dawn of the Emperors. Also very useful, although a little too broad in scope. Thyatis and Alphatia each deserved their own boxed set. Coverage was spotty. Bellissaria was a huge disappointment. I think he must have run out of space ("here's a huge island but its really dull so you'll never want to go there") It is mostly useful as an overview of a huge area; individual sections are far less useful and often disappointing. Cool artwork. 3. Glantri. I've never campaigned there, but I definitely will. It's wonderful for getting that Mystaran flavor, and has tons of interesting little details. Also cool artwork. Honorable Mention: Almanacs! I only have a few gazetteers so the alamanacs are incredibly useful in filling in the gaps. > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? 1. Ierendi 2. Ethengar 3. CoM Haven't gone to any of these places yet, except for sailing around Ierendi. I checked the Gazetter for something useful but couldn't find anything, so didn't use it. > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? 1. CoM. I was hoping that Sind especially would be nicely done, and was kind of hoping for some cool exotic stuff in the desert and jungles. Sind seemed too "historic" and not fantastic enough or detailed enough, while Yavdlom and Ulimwengu just weren't interesting to me. The only thing I really liked was the Plain of Fire, and I REALLY liked that. 2. Ierendi. I like some of the ideas, and the fabulous artwork, but there is little in the gazetteer that is really useful. I really dislike the Makai and the tourist stuff and will probably strip it out in my campaign, keeping only the kingdom, the pirates, and some of the more interesting islands -- but remove the Makai and tourists and you've got about 10 pages left, if that. 3. Ethengar. It's well written, just a bit dull. It also suffers from "too much historical authenticity". --- Other that what I've listed above, all I have is Rockhome, Ylaruam, and PC4. I like these but haven't gotten to use them yet. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:02:51 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? In-Reply-To: <3ABA3507.3000400@libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was conquered by Moorkroft > Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves in the Sylvan Realm... Details? References? :-) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:13:56 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Wizards Shopper Subject: Regarding psionics in Mystara and possible integrations of it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The following is a previous post of mine referring to psionics in Mystara: > I'd rather use it as the "magic" system for the Shadow Elves...thereby > explaining why their magic is unable to preserve the conquered Alfheim. It > is not a "natural" magic but rather a talent/ability that developed in place > of the normal magic of the surface world. Perhaps aided by underground > radiations or proximity to the magic shield separating the Hollow World from > the surface, the Shadow Elves developed psionics in place of arcane type > magic. After bringing up this topic I started to see some interestingly gruesome possibilities. I was having visions of mounds and mounds of soulless corpses that have been drained of all psychic energy by the Shadow Elves in an attempt to power their newly revealed (by their "Loving Immortal Patron") psionic 'spells' that replicate the magic that kept the forests in Alfheim alive. Giant crystalline trees are grown on the surface to provide focii for the energy. Alfheim becomes a partial 'crystalline forest'. Of course, as a side effect the suns rays over Alfheim must be dimmed to prevent the crystal trees reflected radiance from damaging the attending Shadow Elves. The spells are requiring a constant increase of 'energy' to power them and thus spur the Shadow Elves on to begin raids into neighboring nations to capture suitable 'energy supplies'. Raids into the Broken Lands and Darokin increase as the numbers of living dead continue to grow. These mindless and soulless creatures are used as a type of zombie labor force by the Shadow Elves in 'rebuilding their long lost homeland' and in defending it from invaders from the outside. They believe that it is only fair that the surface races that kept them in exile for so many centuries from their ancestral home now be compelled to aid them in the preservation and construction of their new home as recompense for their past sins against the Shadow Elf peoples. Nothing "Evil" in that is there? It's all just a point of view thing. Cosmic Karma and such. :) Froggy ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:16:54 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: III Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most?=20 a. The Principalities of Glantri (The best thing about Glantri is not, in fact the magic. Glantri has the most intriguing and finely detailed internal politics of any nation on Mystara. My ideal Mystara campaign woul= d be a political one, which makes Glantri the ideal place to start.=20 Admittedly, my various attempts at running this political campaign have never worked out quite the way I hoped, but I=92ll get it right eventually.= ) b. Dawn of the Emperors (I enjoy both Thyatis and Alphatia, but have actually set more games in Norwold. Norwold is admittedly a poor man=92s Karameikos, but it provides the ideal setting for exploring the conflict between the two empires. With the addition of Bruce Heard=92s Heldannic Knight material, Norwold=92s position becomes even more interesting, post Wrath of the Immortals.) c. The Golden Khan of Ethengar (Don=92t look at me like that. The Gazettee= r has a great flavor, and all the necessary information to run adventures, or a whole campaign in Ethengar. Someday I will run my =93The Golden Khan Conquers the World=94 campaign. Just you wait.) 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least?=20 a. The Atruaghin Clans (Did I spell that right? I=92m afraid I=92ve never u= sed this product. The clans are really at a severe disadvantage on Mystara.=20 Their product was the last to be published, so I just haven=92t as much tim= e to work with it. Hardly an excuse so long after the Gazetteer was published, but there you are. It really isn=92t very campaign friendly.=20 Using it in conjunction with the Sons of Azca helps, but ultimately it doesn=92t provide the same level of campaign building goodness as most of t= he other Gazetteers. It doesn=92t help that none of the other Gazetteers more than mention the clans, so it really has no connection to Mystara as a whole.) b. The Emirates of Ylaruam (This product includes great cultural and historical information. Unfortunately, it suffers from the same lack of campaign building goodness that the Atruaghin Clans do. For such a thin supplement, theres an awful lot of wasted space. It provides very little t= o which you can tie a Ylari character.) c. The Dwarves of Rockhome (Oddly enough, I have never been in a Mystara campaign which included a Dwarf character. Don=92t ask me why, I can=92t explain it. Continuing with my political kick, Rockhome has some real potential. It=92s a little short on detail, but it has a good array of cla= ns with conflicting agendas and a great cast of characters. Unfortunately, there just doesn=92t seem to be much room for a group of non-Dwarves in Rockhome. None of the Mystara supplements, including this one, give anyone who isn=92t a dwarf a compelling reason to come go there.) 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing?=20 a. The Minrothad Guilds (The Guilds have never really worked for me. The whole guild system is poorly explained and sparsely detailed. The internal politics just don=92t live up to the hype. There are no compelling characters. There are too many pages filled with information that I=92ll never use.) b. The Atruaghin Clans (I detailed some of my objections above. Ultimately it was an ill considered supplement which made poor use of the Clans isolation, and was unsuccessful in its quest to create a compelling culture within which to adventure. The ties to Azca in the Hollow World were a goo= d idea, but didn=92t receive the amount of attention they deserved.) c. The Kingdom of Ierendi (This Gazetteer includes some good stuff, but doesn=92t take enough time with any of it. An order of mad Druids, an isla= nd of expatriate Alphatians, albino architects, a druid lich, all of these ideas have potential, but none of them receive the attention they deserve.= =20 I don=92t mind the riffs on Magnum PI and Fantasy Island. Its no sillier t= han some of the stuff in the Principalities of Glantri. I do think that Safari Island and the whole adventuring tours thing was ill considered. The tone is off, and the idea of a fantasy nation who depends on tourism to power it= s economy doesn=92t really fit with any of the other nations of the Known World.) Here is another question for y=92all. What are the three Gazeteers you wou= ld like to use more? Here are mine: a. The Golden Khan of Ethengar (As I detailed above, I think it=92s a great setting which has never gotten the proper amount of respect. I hope to use it extensively some day, but haven=92t gotten around to it yet.) b. The Orcs of Thar (The tone of this one is a little too light hearted to support an extended campaign, but it presents the Broken Lands as a great place to visit. The Orcs of Thar presents some fun cultural details, interesting characters, and nearly infinite potential for adventures in a place which up to that point had received no respect whatsoever.) c. The Elves of Alfheim (Admittedly this one isn=92t all good, in particula= r the Elven Magic, Adventures, and Characters sections are rather padded.=20 However, there is a lot of good stuff here that I just have never gotten around to using. Perhaps the best thing about the Elves of Alfheim is the number of later products it influenced. Take the Elves of Alfheim, Tall Tales of the Wee Folk, The Shadow Elves, and Wrath of the Immortals. Stir briskly. Bake. The later products compliment The Elves of Alfheim so well= , that the combination could fuel a campaign for years. Add the Tree of Life and the possibilities expand exponentially.) _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:45:10 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Here it is, for your edification and enjoyment. This was the Creature >Feature from the Strategic Review, issue 1, in spring 1975. The cover >price was 50 cents! This contains a table so you'll need to view it >in a monospaced font. > >The Mind Flayer > Now, see? There is no reason at all why this Mind Flayer couldn't be used in a D&D game! Outside of any personal distaste for the creature, it could be used anywhere on Mystara since there is no mention of its backround and no connection to the "underworld" or drow or outer space or any of the AD&D junk. And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? Hmmm, VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:07:44 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: <15320013321202630484@dsl-only.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" And another thing... I remembered what got me to thinking about all this in the first place- paging through the Encyclopedia Magica. As anyone who has those knows, they include a huge amount of OD&D/Basic material, but presented for an AD&D audience. And the thing that set this off was running across all the "Eldritch Wizardry" entries, in particular The Hand of Vecna! Think about it- Vecna as an Alphatian or Glantrian wizard. I don't know if I'd place him as far back as Blackmoor, but I suppose it would be appropriate. But how cool would an official Mystara entry on Vecna be? Or Lum the Mad? Or... or that one guy?! You know, the one with the... thing. Again, I don't see why we D&D players should miss out on all that groovy OD&D material, just because it ended up in AD&D. I'm gonna start digging and post anything good I find, I think. Set the pigeons loose! VVH PS- in case you all were wondering, it's because I'm on a few painkillers. ;-) -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:14:57 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Regarding psionics in Mystara and possible integrations of it MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Nothing "Evil" in that is there? It's all just a point of view >thing. Cosmic Karma and such. :) A rose from any the point of view is still the color of blood... ;-) But I like it. Not sure if I'd use psionics though, especially since I'm using OD&D -- why couldn't the crystal trees be magical? Maybe the SE leaders resorted to necromancy as an emergency measure. Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:21:43 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Mind Flayer Contest Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" How about a little competition? The best Mystara-specific mind flayer, using only the write up from either the Strategic Review (posted here) or from whichever OD&D supplement it ended up in (I don't recall). I'll try to track it down and post it. Anything goes- any time period, any location, either moon or Hollow World. Even another dimension. The only limitations are that no psionics can be used and it can have no link whatsoever to any AD&D world. The winner gets a personally autographed 8x10 glossy of Jack Squat. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:10:03 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit III wrote: > > Here is another question for y�all. What are the three Gazeteers you would > like to use more? 1) Glantri. This is one of the best products ever released for Mystara, IMO. I've done quite a lot of work on the Principalities (at least, a lot more than for any other nation) for the GPD and the GIM, but I've never managed to get the PC go to Glantri. 2) Rockhome. Another favourite of mine, but, just like others, I can't find players who want to play dwarves (I myself did play dwarven characters for my entire career as player, OTOH). I think there's much worth in the politics of the Rockhome. 3) Shadow Elves. They would be great for a campaign based on the conquest of Alfheim, and the subsequent death of Canolbarth. It has a great potential for adventures with a stress on misinformation, manipulative immortals, and a link to both surface and hollow world. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:50:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Harvey wrote: > > > The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was conquered by Moorkroft > > Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves in the Sylvan Realm... > > Details? References? :-) Uh, you should have a look at the Timeline. Here is an entry from Marco's Mages of Mystara Name/Title Class/Level Align. Location Source Moorkroft IV Elvenbane (Tyrant) M25 C Sylvan Realm CM7 I haven't got CM7, so I can't give you more details. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 21:03:58 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > > Now, see? There is no reason at all why this Mind Flayer couldn't be > used in a D&D game! Outside of any personal distaste for the > creature, it could be used anywhere on Mystara since there is no > mention of its backround and no connection to the "underworld" or > drow or outer space or any of the AD&D junk. Ah, but I wouldn't have any qualm about using a mind flayer in a D&D Greyhawk campaign, just it doesn't fit on Mystara, IMO. > And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder > (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? Well, not that I use tons of Beholders... but the problem is, a Beholder is usually set as a guardian creature, and only rarely as a society (that is, something that is relevant on a world-wide scope). I would probably not use Beholder-kin, though. As much as I wouldn't use Giths, for example, or Gully Dwarves: they remind to closely other campaign settings. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:25:42 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was conquered by Moorkroft > Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves in the Sylvan Realm... > -- > it is also detailed to a degree in the module CM7 tree of life. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:41:50 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >a. The Principalities of Glantri (The best thing about Glantri is not, in >fact the magic Blasphemy!!! >c. The Dwarves of Rockhome (Oddly enough, I have never been in a Mystara >campaign which included a Dwarf character. Don't ask me why, I can't >explain it. Continuing with my political kick, Rockhome has some real >potential. It's a little short on detail, but it has a good array of clans >with conflicting agendas and a great cast of characters. Unfortunately, >there just doesn't seem to be much room for a group of non-Dwarves in >Rockhome. None of the Mystara supplements, including this one, give anyone >who isn't a dwarf a compelling reason to come go there.) in my Glantrian campaign a high level necromancer raised an army of undead and invaded rockhome intent on wiping out the hated dwarves. >Here is another question for y'all. What are the three Gazeteers you would >like to use more? 1./ i agree whole heartidly here >b. The Orcs of Thar (The tone of this one is a little too light hearted to >support an extended campaign, but it presents the Broken Lands as a great >place to visit. The Orcs of Thar presents some fun cultural details, >interesting characters, and nearly infinite potential for adventures in a >place which up to that point had received no respect whatsoever.) 2./ milenia ( i just love ancient greek myth's and this realm gives me a place to play them out.) 3./ thyatian parts of DoTE ( always loved the romans and this is how i see thyatis.) Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:39:44 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <3ABA5AAE.9F8D4B88@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >> And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder >> (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? > >Well, not that I use tons of Beholders... but the problem is, a Beholder >is usually set as a guardian creature, and only rarely as a society >(that is, something that is relevant on a world-wide scope). I would >probably not use Beholder-kin, though. As much as I wouldn't use Giths, >for example, or Gully Dwarves: they remind to closely other campaign >settings. I think you may have misunderstood me. Everything you mention here is related to AD&D and the "mythology" of mind flayers as they relate to Greyhawk and the Realms. So, just to make myself perfectly clear- THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. Having said that (again), I'm not sure why some people bug out so badly over the mind flayer in Mystara. If used as originally presented in The Strategic Review, it should fit seamlessly anywhere in the Known or Hollow worlds. And where Beholders are concerned, they were a huge presence in the Spelljammer setting, right along side those nasty Illithids, where they were a detailed, completely fleshed-out race. And if I remember correctly they were mortal enemies at war with each other. The D&D game didn't start with the blue book, kiddies, it started with those little, ugly, brown books and the four or five supplements that followed. We have just as much claim to any of that material as anyone who worked on AD&D did. All your original Dungeons & Dragons are belong to us! VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:28:17 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa Gelman Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: <200103221557.KAA20497@freenet10.carleton.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > The official mention of the Carnifex was module M1: Twilight Calling. The > premise was essentially an excuse to massacre your players (I've never run > it, but I know people who have, and they say that party fatalities are > almost certain). The module is actually M3, and I've played it without serious problems - it's simply geared to a just-shy-of-immortal power level, which most parties will never attain. It's nowhere near as definite a player/party killer as DA2 or CM6. It's not as good as M1, but is fairly average in terms of overall value IMO. - Mischa What is called the economic independence of women is the same as what is called the economic wage-slavery of men. - G.K. Chesterton ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:05:52 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mischa Gelman wrote: > The module is actually M3, and I've played it without serious problems = - > it's simply geared to a just-shy-of-immortal power level, which most > parties will never attain. It's nowhere near as definite a = player/party > killer as DA2 or CM6. It's not as good as M1, but is fairly average in > terms of overall value IMO. I've played M3 a few times too, and I don't think that it's that much of = a party killer either, as long as you keep in mind that you'll need a = suitably powerful party. ;) Neither was DA2 for that matter, as long as = you don't treat it as pure hack'n'slash. This is one adventure, where it = pays to be a thief! And I think that M3 is much better than M1, which = plays like a Fighting Fantasy novel. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:09:44 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ramhog wrote: > THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE > THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. But you have to admit that it's hard to see them as "just another D&D = monster" after years of AD&D Mind Flayers. I can't see a Mind Flayer = without thinking Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever. Who can lay = claim to it is really a minor question, when it has been an integrated = part of other settings for many years. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:10:59 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Mind Flayer Contest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Anything goes- any time period, any location, either moon or Hollow World. Even another dimension. The only limitations are that no psionics can be used and it can have no link whatsoever to any AD&D world. The winner gets a personally autographed 8x10 glossy of Jack Squat. << Oh... He's my hero... ;) Nevertheless, I'll take a part of this. Just give me a couple of days to put something together. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:13:23 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G.P. Agosta wrote: > Jacob Skytte wrote: >=20 > > c. GAZ2: Ylaruam. It seems to me that this GAZ is totally out of = touch with the rest of Mystara. >=20 > Really? IMO, it is quite integrated with the neighbouring nations, > except perhaps the Northern Reaches. The geographical location is > absurd, ok, but it can be justified through magic and Immortal = interference. I agree that it's integrated with neighbours; I was talking about the = way the setting "feels". Ylaruam does not feel compatible with any other = Mystara setting IMO, and that's why I don't really like it. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:37:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <004c01c0b325$2f6cdf80$66ee61d4@skytte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >ramhog wrote: > > >> THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE >> THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. > >But you have to admit that it's hard to see them as "just another >D&D monster" after years of AD&D Mind Flayers. I can't see a Mind >Flayer without thinking Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever. Who >can lay claim to it is really a minor question, when it has been an >integrated part of other settings for many years. As are orcs, kobolds, dragons, liches or any number of other monsters. I never played in "Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever" campaigns so that doesn't hold true for me. I don't know why mind flayers would have any more identification to AD&D than any other monster and even if it did, so what? Why would that stop anyone from using them? It's like saying I won't ever use vampires in my game because they're so identified with Ravenloft. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 18:46:52 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Mind Flayer Contest In-Reply-To: <20010322231059.18992.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Nevertheless, I'll take a part of this. Just give me a couple of >days to put something >together. > I'm working up a Rules Compendium version of the mind flayer, for purposes of the "contest", that I'll post here in the next day or two. I'm just putting a minor tweak here and there to fit with the new rules better. It's essentially the same as the one from the Strategic Review. But if anyone was thinking of a full-on re-write, I'd be interested in seeing that, too. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:42:09 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mike Donnelly Jr Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DM wrote: > Hi everyone! > > I was revising my Mystara files and I stumbled upon an old poll I had begun a year ago, involving our judgement on the Mystara gazetteers. Since I got many votes and I think the poll might still be interesting, I am posting it here again, along with the first results. > > There are three questions u should answer: > > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? > > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? > > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? > > The answers get points in order to evaluate the answers in this way: (this is an example based on my answers) Most Used: a. Karameikos b Thyatis c Darokin Least Used: a. Northern Reaches b. Shadow Elves (The one that I wish they never would have created) c. Yllarum Most Disappointing: a Yllarum - rich setting, few characters b Atruaghin - setting is a touch contrived, there are good characters there, but, no compelling reason to visit there c Northern Reaches - not exactly sure why. d Rockhome. *I* like the place, there just isn't really a reason for a non-dwarf to visit. e Alfheim - Perhaps the most disappointing elf kingdom out there. Why didn't they do the Wendar? (officially I mean) Which one I'd like to use more of? a Yllarum It's just too close to everywhere to be a true 'wasteland' b Rockhome - If I could figure out how to do it c Alfheim - see Rockhome I see each as a unique land, but some are much easier to work with than others. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 03:00:17 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Sverre Midthjell Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010321174000.009f0350@racine.ra.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? I. Orcs of Thar (lots of adventure potential here, and as background for humanoids in general) II. Darokin (all roads lead to/through Darokin) III.DoE (even if the information is scarce, it's great for high-level adventures) > > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? I. Minrothad (I've barely read this one) II. Ylaruam (The one that mysteriously disappeared from my collection - if the guy who borrowed, whoever you are, it is reading this: I am still waiting for you to return it!) III.Karameikos (by the time I bought it, I was already tired of this place.) > > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? I. DoE (Didn't include nearly enough of the info I had hoped). (The rest, I think about met my expectations) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:01:29 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Francisco V. Navarro" Subject: Re: NW brun, Moorkroft and elves MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hail Mystarans! Regarding the Moorkroft Elvenbane and the Glantrian Moorkroft connections, this is what we in the Glantrian Personnel Division (GPD) project came out with. 1. The Moorkrofts originate from Laterre in the Dimension of Myth, where the d'Ambrevilles and the McGregors come from. 2. The Moorkrofts are heroes of the Fen people, a minor ethnic group in Glantri, which populate the Principality of Fenswick & surrounding areas. (Fen=M-English). 3. There are so many legends about so many Moorkrofts, such as them wielding powerful magic (The Moorkrofts started off as paladins), being immortal, producing clones of one another, and even traveling back in time. The Moorkroft legends have also established them as enemies of the McGregors, the Flaems, and the elves. 4. John Beaumarys-Moorkroft believes himself some cousin (We use the term loosely) of Moorkroft Elvenbane. He is not sure of the connection, and has not really met the guy. JBM believes this ME is probably one of his sorcerous immortal clone-producing time-traveling ancestors of legends. (Quite accurate, actually) 5. *SPOILER* One of JBM's children will be sent back in time by the magic of the time-traveling sorceresses, Moriamis, who is now posing as Dame Diane de Moriamis, wife of Prince Malachie du Marais. (Watch out for this story!) In other words: We have laid out a definite background--and the possibility--of the connections. We have just not clarified the exact connection between JBM and ME. For more information, check out the GPD website: http://www.geocities.com/principalities_of_glantri Check out the links on John Beaumarys-Moorkroft, Archduke of Westheath and the History of House Beaumarys-Moorkroft in the Histories section. Kit Navarro GPD Archduke ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:27:10 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: newsreaders MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mike Donnelly Jr" > Outlook Express is one of the most vulnerable pieces of mail/newsbrowsers to > viral infection out there. A lot of the vulnerabilities are why the jerks > who perpetrate viruses purposely build to hit users of OE. So use with > caution. I would agree -- be sure that you know what you are doing so that your settings don't cause you to open files automatically or do anything else particularly stupid. For most D&D related newsgroups, the best advice is not to open or save any attachments -- these groups are meant to have text postings and not binary postings, so any attached files would have no business being there. Don't be afraid to make liberal use of the "Block Sender" option. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:46:14 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "ramhog" > > I seems a shame that, psionics aside, AD&D got the Mind Flayer and we > didn't. It ain't fair, I tell ya! Well, we got the Brain Collector and they didn't (at least at first), so it is a fair trade. And I would take Shadow Elves over Drow any day.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:23:32 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D In-Reply-To: <0aee01c0b35e$ad82c4a0$25a61a26@q6s7w2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >Well, we got the Brain Collector and they didn't (at least at first), so it >is a fair trade. And I would take Shadow Elves over Drow any day.... > Y'know, that is an excellent point! Two, even. :) I know then Brain Collector is from Castle Amber, but is it described anywhere in the CAS books or was it an invention for the module? VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:36:30 -0700 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Patrick Sullivan Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? 1. Glantri: In truth, my G:KoM boxed set is the most-used. Despite its shortcomings, I bought it more than a year before I found a copy of Gaz3. Glantri's a fascinating setting and, IMO, and all the new rules additions don't hurt either. 2. Champions of Mystara: I bought it for the world-building and flying rules advertised on the back, but as it turned out, I liked the rest of the set even more! 3. DotE and Karameikos (K:KoA and Gaz1 combined) are tied. >2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? 1. Minrothad: I never even managed to finish reading it--it completely failed to grab my interest, and the longest any of my players have ever visited was for a day on their way to the Isle of Dread. 2. Ethengar: I liked it, but I never managed to figure out how to DM it to make it compelling to players. 3. Shadow Elves: Again I liked it, but it just doesn't lend itself to much adventuring unless running an all-elven campaign. >3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most disappointing? 1. Karameikos: It's mostly because Gaz 1 was among the last I acquired, but it didn't even come close to matching the hype that surrounded it. 2. PC1: Tall Tales of the Wee Folk: While I loved the other 3 Creature Crucibles, I was disappointed by this one for its lack of a compelling setting (although I do like and use the new rules). The Dreamlands just seems like an afterthought, especially when compared to Undersea, Serraine, and Morlay-Malinbois. 3. DotE: It should've been about 8 times longer, and I didn't particularly care for the aerial combat and alternate armor rules. It gives great tidbits, but leaves way too many blank spots. Which one I'd like to use more of? 1. Ierendi: I really liked this. Next campaign I DM will hopefully be a maritime campaign based in Ierendi with adventures branching out to include Minrothad, Sind, Undersea, X1, XSolo (modified, naturally, but a useful campaign extension in and of itself), X7, and X8. 2. Ethengar: My players just don't seem interested. 3. Norwold: CM1 really is an excellent accessory, and I'd like someday to start a low-level campaign here and let the characters learn about it from the bottom up. Ooh! But this reminds me of my favorite pet peeve about this module: its map doesn't use the same key as every other Mystaran map (empty hexes are forest--I guess to save ink, but I don't like the idea), and none of the subsequent mapmakers bothered noticing, so its map is inconsistent with the ones in DotE, WotI, PWA, et al. Note: Since I haven't read the following supplements, I'm not including any of them in my considerations: Alfheim, Rockhome, 5 Shires, or the HW gazetteers. >After 15 votes, the current results are:... >Least favourite IMHO, most disappointing and least favorite aren't necessarily the same thing. After all, while Gaz1 disappointed me greatly and Gaz4 impressed me far more than I expected it would, I like them roughly equally and I really wouldn't consider Gaz1 to be my least favorite. Patrick ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:38:46 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > > I think you may have misunderstood me. Everything you mention here is > related to AD&D and the "mythology" of mind flayers as they relate to > Greyhawk and the Realms. So, just to make myself perfectly clear- > > THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE > THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. Now are you in search of a flame? First, *don't* shout to me. Second, Greyhawk was the first supplement for D&D, therefore I can say that your mind flayer is a appropriate to a D&D Greyhawk. Third, you keep mixing settings and game systems. Obviously, the mind flayer does exist in both D&D and AD&D --it is just a matter of converting one to the other (in this case, D&D to AD&D, rather than the opposite). This doesn't mean that the Mind Flayer belongs to every specific D&D (or AD&D, for that matter) campaign setting. IMO, it just doesn't belong to Mystara. You are entitled to have a different opinion, of course. OTOH, I'm not against using non-D&D monsters in Mystara, as long as they are appropriate to the setting --I suppose you could find something similar in the SC MC Appendix. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:36:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just out of curiosity, what constitutes a monster that is "appropriate" to Mystara? George ----- Original Message ----- From: "G.P. Agosta" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:38 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > ramhog wrote: > > > > > I think you may have misunderstood me. Everything you mention here is > > related to AD&D and the "mythology" of mind flayers as they relate to > > Greyhawk and the Realms. So, just to make myself perfectly clear- > > > > THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE > > THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. > > Now are you in search of a flame? > > First, *don't* shout to me. > > Second, Greyhawk was the first supplement for D&D, therefore I can say > that your mind flayer is a appropriate to a D&D Greyhawk. > Third, you keep mixing settings and game systems. Obviously, the mind > flayer does exist in both D&D and AD&D --it is just a matter of > converting one to the other (in this case, D&D to AD&D, rather than the > opposite). This doesn't mean that the Mind Flayer belongs to every > specific D&D (or AD&D, for that matter) campaign setting. IMO, it just > doesn't belong to Mystara. You are entitled to have a different opinion, > of course. > OTOH, I'm not against using non-D&D monsters in Mystara, as long as they > are appropriate to the setting --I suppose you could find something > similar in the SC MC Appendix. > -- > > > Giampaolo Agosta > > > agathokles@libero.it > agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it > http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:05:55 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George Hrabovsky wrote: > Just out of curiosity, what constitutes a monster that is "appropriate" to > Mystara? There were some discussions on this topic some times ago, which led to some lists of "appropriate" monsters. In general, it is easier to define what is not appropriate, of course (ex. many people would consider metallic dragons or psionic monsters or drow inappropriate as native mystaran monsters). Some monsters are surely appropriate, just because there are communities of them somewhere in the canon stuff. The rest (not that much, really) is grey area, you might want to use that monster or not. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:14 +1000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Diehm Subject: Re: NW BRUN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It's great to see some postings on Moorkroft and the Sylvan Realm which were introduced in CM7 Tree of Life written by Bruce Heard. I am researching and designing this area at the moment (a slow process)and would like to exchange information with anyone who is interested. Cheers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 19:45:14 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: shawn tan Subject: Re: Poll: Most and Least used Gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. First time i am posting on this list, anyway here are my answers and a bit about my campaign My campaign is based on an eccentric, lovable, troublesome noble NPC who wants to experience the world and either a) tries to be helpful. b) gets himself into trouble because of lack of knowledge of local = custom or c) gets caught up in some hairbrained scheme and guess who his entourage consist of.... DM wrote: > > > > > > 1. What are the three Gazetteers you used most? Karameikos : The starting place of the adventure Daraokin : where the PCs currently are located In actual fact, if possible, i hope to encourage them to visit everywhere, only i dont have all the gazeteers. > > > > 2. What are the three Gazetteers you used least? The rest of my collection, have read them but not used them much. Although i dont intend to use Glantri, Etherngar Khanates and The northern reaches at the moment. Too far from where the PCs are currently mucking around. > > > > 3. What are the three Gazetteers you consider most = disappointing? Havent really thought about it, but what would really disappoint me is = when i but a gazetter expecting to know something about the society, = culture etc... what makes that particular place so uniques and find only = a small section deatiling that nation. None of the gazetters i possess = have really disappointed me so far, though some of them have lots of = potential for adventure but are are underdeveloped(eg Ylarum) others = dont quite tell me much about what interesting things there are to do = there.(darokin would probably fall under this category) But hey at least = i have something to worl on. In addition i feel that in some gazeteers,eg ylarum, northern reaches and ethenghar khantes adventure hooks almost write themselves(at least for my campaign) while for others i might have to wait for inspiration. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:41:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ramhog wrote: > >But you have to admit that it's hard to see them as "just another > >D&D monster" after years of AD&D Mind Flayers. I can't see a Mind > >Flayer without thinking Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever. Who > >can lay claim to it is really a minor question, when it has been an > >integrated part of other settings for many years. >=20 > As are orcs, kobolds, dragons, liches or any number of other > monsters. All of which are featured in all rules sets, and almost all campaign = worlds. Mind Flayers are not. > I never played in "Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever" > campaigns so that doesn't hold true for me. But you must have been pretty isolated to not have heard heaps of it. = I've never played in any of those campaigns either, but I still connect = Mind Flayers with them from tales of other players. > I don't know why mind > flayers would have any more identification to AD&D than any other > monster and even if it did, so what? Why would that stop anyone from > using them? It's like saying I won't ever use vampires in my game > because they're so identified with Ravenloft. Again, vampires have a history in (almost) all campaign worlds, they are = hardly intrinsic to Ravenloft. But you are absolutely right, you have = every right to use Mind Flayers in OD&D, if you want to. The only reason = they are identified with AD&D is because there have been many, many AD&D = adventures and supplements using Mind Flayers (though not in Mystara, = but I guess that's another point), and next-to-none (that I know of) = using them in OD&D. That said I have no objection to seeing something not unlike Mind = Flayers in Mystara (for OD&D/AD&D/Rolemaster/whatever rules). I would of = course connect them with the Nightmare Dimension, and remove any trace = of Psionics, and probably not call them Mind Flayers, but... When you get the write-up posted, I might brew something together, just = don't expect it to be a "Mind Flayer". Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:00:59 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? In-Reply-To: <3ABA3507.3000400@libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello people, I haven't been active lately, because right now im studying in Poland and the internet connection here isn't that great. However, i'm still around (new email adress, but the old one works too). Anyways, i just wanted to comment on this... --- "G.P. Agosta" : > > > The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was > conquered by Moorkroft > Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves > in the Sylvan Realm... I don't have CM7, so I dont know exactly what the module says, but I see no reason why some of the elves couldn't have survived and went into hiding, possibly preparing a revolt against Moorkoft. I remember discussing the development of this region on the list some time ago. DM and I discussed the possibility of making two versions of the current Sylvan Realm: 1) Moorkroft has been defeated some time ago and the elves have returned (either from Alfheim or from the Midlands or wherever). 2) The Dark Sylvan Realm. A Gothic horror realm where Moorkroft still reigns and only a small group of elves still survive and continue fighting against the evil overlord. If anyone wants to develope these ideas further, that would be just peachy :) Haavard ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Organiser sammenkomsten p� http://no.invites.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:04:16 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <3ABB0B96.6090206@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >Now are you in search of a flame? Yes. People were complaining about the list being slow lately and this turned out to be grist for the mill, so... yes. ;-) >First, *don't* shout to me. I wasn't shouting, I was typing BIG. :) >Second, Greyhawk was the first supplement for D&D, therefore I can say >that your mind flayer is a appropriate to a D&D Greyhawk. Well, now, that's just silly. There is a HUGE difference between the supplement Greyhawk and the setting Greyhawk, just as the differences are HUGE between the Blackmoor supplement and the DA series of modules. >Third, you keep mixing settings and game systems. Obviously, the mind No, I don't. I keep separating them. I bloody well know the difference between Greyhawk and Mystara, D&D and AD&D. I've been playing D&D off and on since 1978- can you say the same? > >OTOH, I'm not against using non-D&D monsters in Mystara, as long as they >are appropriate to the setting --I suppose you could find something >similar in the SC MC Appendix. >-- And there you go again! The mind flayer *is* a D&D monster, dag nabbit! And it's just as "appropriate" to Mystara as a cow-headed Archon. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:28:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "G.P. Agosta" Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > >> Now are you in search of a flame? > > Yes. Then please go search for it somewhere else. >> Second, Greyhawk was the first supplement for D&D, therefore I can say >> that your mind flayer is a appropriate to a D&D Greyhawk. > > Well, now, that's just silly. There is a HUGE difference between the > supplement Greyhawk and the setting Greyhawk, just as the differences > are HUGE between the Blackmoor supplement and the DA series of > modules. But this don't authorize you to assume that I am speaking about AD&D Greyhawk when I say D&D Greyhawk, which was what I said in my first message. Moreover, I was just using it to exemplify the case of a non-Mystara D&D campaign, where the mind flayer (or any other monster, for that matter) could be found. >> Third, you keep mixing settings and game systems. Obviously, the mind > > No, I don't. I keep separating them. I bloody well know the > difference between Greyhawk and Mystara, D&D and AD&D. Then you could make use of that knowledge, perhaps... > I've been > playing D&D off and on since 1978- So what? >> OTOH, I'm not against using non-D&D monsters in Mystara, as long as they >> are appropriate to the setting --I suppose you could find something >> similar in the SC MC Appendix. > > And there you go again! The mind flayer *is* a D&D monster, dag > nabbit! And it's just as "appropriate" to Mystara as a cow-headed > Archon. Where did I mention the mind flayer in that sentence? You persist in adding mind flayers to my statements even when there is none... The idea is just that I don't mind the rule origin (D&D or AD&D) of a monster, as long as it fits the setting (Mystara) *but* I do mind about the appropriateness of the creature to the setting, even in the case of a natively OD&D monster. Simply put, the system a monster is written for doesn't matter. If I've never used the mind flayers in Mystara it is not because I didn't know that it was an OD&D monster, it is because I don't like having brain-eating octopus-like humanoids on Mystara. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:34:24 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <002f01c0b38e$a33bb120$a9f561d4@skytte> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > >> I never played in "Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever" >> campaigns so that doesn't hold true for me. > >But you must have been pretty isolated to not have heard heaps of >it. I've never played in any of those campaigns either, but I still >connect Mind Flayers with them from tales of other players. No, I thought I made it clear that I *am* familiar with them. I even owned Spelljammer for a time. And I identify Beholders with that setting just as much as I do Mind Flayers. I even noticed recently a pretty good number of modules (I think) devoted to Beholders ("I, Tyrant" being one of them), but OD&D players aren't repelled by the thought of using them. It's like not using Mind Flayers is some kind of political statement or something. > > > using them? It's like saying I won't ever use vampires in my game >> because they're so identified with Ravenloft. > >Again, vampires have a history in (almost) all campaign worlds, they >are hardly intrinsic to Ravenloft. Point taken, but I think you took my point a little too literally. >That said I have no objection to seeing something not unlike Mind >Flayers in Mystara (for OD&D/AD&D/Rolemaster/whatever rules). I >would of course connect them with the Nightmare Dimension, and >remove any trace of Psionics, and probably not call them Mind >Flayers, but... > I was thinking of the Nightmare Dimension as well, since I get the feeling that all things Lovecraftian lurk beyond that particular threshold and, to me, mind flayers are decidedly Lovecraftian. :) I've come to the conclusion that "Illithid" is pretty much the official AD&D name for Mind Flayers now. As far as I'm concerned, that frees up the name for the non-psionic OD&D version. They still eat brains, after all. :) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:54:56 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <3ABB87C8.8080005@libero.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >> >>And there you go again! The mind flayer *is* a D&D monster, dag >>nabbit! And it's just as "appropriate" to Mystara as a cow-headed >>Archon. > >Where did I mention the mind flayer in that sentence? You persist in >adding mind flayers to my statements even when there is none... It's called "staying on topic". You may not have noticed the phrase "The Mind Flayer" in the subject line, but it's there and it *is* the topic and that's what I'm here to discuss. >The idea is just that I don't mind the rule origin (D&D or AD&D) of a >monster, as long as it fits the setting (Mystara) *but* I do mind about >the appropriateness of the creature to the setting, even in the case of >a natively OD&D monster. Simply put, the system a monster is written for >doesn't matter. If I've never used the mind flayers in Mystara it is not >because I didn't know that it was an OD&D monster, it is because I don't >like having brain-eating octopus-like humanoids on Mystara. >-- > If you're whole argument is based on personal preference, then why am I even wasting my time with you? I don't give a crap what you do in your own campaign. If you don't like what I'm saying, save your breath and move along! VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:55:07 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Map of Undersea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Is there a map of the Undersea realm? I'm assuming this would be an "inverted trailmap", with details of the seafloor but showing land areas as featureless blobs. I was looking at the trailmap and found Colhador and Koom's Castle, and got to wondering about other Underseas locations, especially since my group recently encountered merfolk in the Minrothad area. Also anyone have any good ideas for undersea adventures? Some ideas I came up with: - exploring sunken cities/ruins/ships - war, deep-sea merfolk empires conquering Ierendi shelf - racial war between merfolk/tritons/etc. - tracking rogue sea monsters to their lair - plundering the hoards of green dragons - undersea folk kindly offer to help adventurers in need - trade expeditions BTW I notice that in AC9, the description of aquatic elves mentions sahuagin. I assume this should actually be "shark-kin" since there are no Sahuagin in Mystara? Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 08:56:15 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Filtering the "Illithid" out of the Mind Flayer >> That said I have no objection to seeing something not unlike Mind >> Flayers in Mystara (for OD&;D/AD&D/Rolemaster/whatever rules). I >> would of course connect them with the Nightmare Dimension, and >> remove any trace of Psionics, and probably not call them Mind >> Flayers, but... >I was thinking of the Nightmare Dimension as well, since I get the >feeling that all things Lovecraftian lurk beyond that particular >threshold and, to me, mind flayers are decidedly Lovecraftian. :) > >I've come to the conclusion that "Illithid" is pretty much the >official AD&D name for Mind Flayers now. As far as I'm concerned, >that frees up the name for the non-psionic OD&D version. They still >eat brains, after all. :) I think I can see potential with what you are talking about. If someone were to do a work-up of Mind Flayers, discuss them being extra-dimensional entities, not subterranean dwellers as the Illithids are. Even go so far as to say "Not to be confused with the Illithids of the Underdark/Spelljammer/Planescape genre, any similarities are cosmetic" Then go on to create a "new" monster with all the mystery of the original Mind Flayer. Maybe have them from a future-Mystara? Maybe Mystaran "Mind Flayers" are the result of some ancient Alphatian's cruel experiments like so many other monsters are? It could be littered it with inspirations from Geoff Gander's wonderful expansions on the carnifex, the outer beings and old ones. It could be for all those people who were disappointed when TSR/WotC lifted the kimono and revealed too much of the mystery of the Illithids... Just some ideas. I for one wouldn't use the Illithids right out the the Illithiad in a Mystara campaign. It would require some kind of serious changing, by then it ain't an Illithid anymore... Eric Anondson ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 01:51:32 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: shawn tan Subject: Re: Map of Undersea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PC3 gives a map of the undersea .=20 Unfortunately the supplement focuses more on players wanting to take the = role of undersea characters such as merfolk, tritons and the like. and = only has a small section focusing on life underwater and areas of = interest. Pity because i felt there was lot of potential for a good = campaign in the undersea. The main villians presented are=20 Sassakas, a hissing demon and her devilfish worshippers.=20 Other villians are=20 Caxitou, a velya who worships sassakas . He dwells in underwater ruins = and attempts to transform all who find his lair into undead There is also a triton baron whose name i can't remember at the moment = but who got turned into a wereshark and is secretly spreading = lycanthropy amongst the tritons. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:47:21 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Filtering the "Illithid" out of the Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This is EXACTLY what I was talking about!!! What you have here is just the thing I was hoping to inspire with the Mind Flayer "contest". You should run with this- I would be very interested in reading what you come up with. Your Alphatian angle is one I wouldn't have considered. > >I think I can see potential with what you are talking about. If someone >were to do a work-up of Mind Flayers, discuss them being >extra-dimensional entities, not subterranean dwellers as the Illithids >are. Even go so far as to say "Not to be confused with the Illithids of >the Underdark/Spelljammer/Planescape genre, any similarities are >cosmetic" > > > >I for one wouldn't use the Illithids right out the the Illithiad in a Mystara >campaign. It would require some kind of serious changing, by then it >ain't an Illithid anymore... And that's the point. The Illithid was modified for and belongs in AD&D. In fact, the name "Illithid" was coined in one of the original Drow modules (D series? I don't remember) and was the elven word for mind flayers! I don't know what the name is supposed to mean anymore. They can have their Illithids, but we should take back our Mind Flayers (and any other "lost" monsters, etc. from the old books). -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:24:09 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Darokin-style swordfighting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Is that covered at the Pandius site? Last time I looked I didn't see it. Could it be on another site or in print somewhere? Help! lol VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:35:24 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer > >ramhog wrote: > >> THE MIND FLAYER STARTED IT'S EXISTENCE AS A D&D MONSTER, LONG BEFORE >> THERE WAS AN AD&D OR A GREYHAWK SETTING OR EVEN PSIONICS. To which Jacob replied: >But you have to admit that it's hard to see them as "just another D&D monster" after years of AD&D Mind Flayers. I can't see a Mind Flayer without thinking Psionics/Spelljammer/Underdark/whatever. Who can lay claim to it is really a minor question, when it has been an integrated part of other settings for many years. The main way I could see mind flayers being part of Mystara is as something out of the Nightmare Dimension (a la Diaboli and Malferas, possibly Neh-Thalggu (Brain Collectors) too). Or, and most people who know me by now saw this one coming a mile away, they could be some sort of ancient servitor race of the OBs. If the former, they could be employed by Hule as a sort of "thought police", just as Malferas were used in X5 as elite palace guards. The mind flayers' telepathic powers naturally lend themselves to some form of domination-and-control role, much as the kopru are mental terrors of the deeps. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 10:32:46 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Eric Anondson Subject: Alternate Mystara maps I was curious if anyone has taken the Mystara Gazs, Almanacs, Creature Crucibles... etc., and put them all to use on an alternately drawn map? I don't really mean borrowing material from one or two accessories, but takign the entire Mystara setting and putting it on an entirely different map of an different planet? It is something that I am considering, because the map of Brun and the Known World with the arrangements of the coutries just bothers me to no end. I take one look and I get these wiping out one nation or another just to get some better continuity. (The inner world-builder in me getting an itch too. ;-) ) I'm far better ad putting together maps than developing cultures. It is my goal to find a way to use everything that is in the Mystara setting, not just this and that, and make it look good and feel right. Anyway, I was wondering if anyone has done this before? Eric Anondson (Ierendi still seems unsalvagable) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:51:18 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <200103231835.NAA16535@freenet10.carleton.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Geoff Gander wrote: > know me by now saw this one coming a mile away, they could be some sort of > ancient servitor race of the OBs. heh.. I was JUST about to reply to another email with this same idea. Mind Flayers and OB's.. Hmm.. Like it! ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:04:07 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > > > > > >> And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder > >> (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? > > Well, the beholder appeared in the Companion rules boxed set, and appeared in many of the Companion and Master level modules, which helped define the world of Mystara. So it has been around a long time. The first time a mind flayer showed up in a Mystara product was when it converted to 2nd edition AD&D. It showed that either the designers had no idea that mind flayers had never been present before, or that they didn't care. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:27:51 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <3ABB9E27.1025CFE5@palmchip.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dave Keyser wrote: > no idea that mind flayers had never been present before, or that they > didn't care. TSR circa 1994, "What? Mystara has no Underdark? Then where do the Drow live??" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:24:50 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There are no Drow in Mystara. Shadow Elves are nothing at all like the Drow. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteelAngel" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Dave Keyser wrote: > > > no idea that mind flayers had never been present before, or that they > > didn't care. > > TSR circa 1994, > > "What? Mystara has no Underdark? Then where do the Drow live??" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 11:57:13 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Herve Musseau Subject: Re: FW: Almanacs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii James wrote: > entries presume the affects of previous Almanacs, which not everyone > follows. It might be a better idea to write up AC 1000 versions, since > most people (and that would probably include a plurality of > newbies/beginning Mystara players) start their campaigns in AC 1000, not > AC 1010, 1013, or even AC 1017. Actually, considering the wealth of fan stuff for the post-WotI era (notably the almanacs themselves), newbies could just as easily start a campaign at that date than in AC 1000. There is, of course, a lot of stuff written for AC 1000 available for free on the net, but, as was said recently, it doesn't include basic info on the KW nations, and the gaz are hard to find. ===== ___________________________________________________________ Herve Musseau http://www.geocities.com/hmusseau/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:06:15 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Geoff Gander wrote: > >> know me by now saw this one coming a mile away, they could be some sort of >> ancient servitor race of the OBs. > >heh.. I was JUST about to reply to another email with this same idea. > >Mind Flayers and OB's.. Hmm.. Like it! > What's an OB? -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:04:53 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <037301c0b3cf$011c2dc0$8b39abd0@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, George Hrabovsky wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 SteelAngel wrote: > > > > TSR circa 1994: > > > > "What? Mystara has no Underdark? Then where do the Drow live??" > > There are no Drow in Mystara. > > Shadow Elves are nothing at all like the Drow. I see someone missed the sarcasm. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:09:02 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > What's an OB? I should let Geoff take this one, But I'll toss in a few cents. Outer beings are like immortals, worshipped and revered by moral races. But there the similarity ends. OB's are like the lovecraftian gods - utterly evil, promoting destruction and twisting of souls using dark magics and such. The Carnifex were their servitors until the Immortals sent them to the pits of banishment. I'll let Geoff follow up, since he did all the work on them. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:40:48 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: III Subject: Re: Alternate Mystara Maps Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric- I have considered doing something like you propose. There are any number of reasons to do so: *To make the Mystaran nations fit together more logically from the perspective of culture and climate. *To give some nations enough room to for their concepts to work properly. For example, Ethengar will never become the feared barbarian hordes without more room for their population to grow, and some way to escape the mountains which ring the steppes. ...and so on. On the other hand, many of the relationships between Mystaran nations are predicated on geographical proximity so one would have to be very careful when reworking the map. Unfortunately my map making skills are nearly nonexistent, so I've never gotten up the courage to try it. However, I would be very interested to see the results of such an effort. If this were to become a group project, I would be interested in taking part. By the way, Ierendi seems unsalvageable because its problems are cultural rather than geographic. That's a separate discussion altogether. -Andy Morrow III _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:42:35 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, humor, hehehehe. George P.S. Boy am I embarrassed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "SteelAngel" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, George Hrabovsky wrote: > > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 SteelAngel wrote: > > > > > > TSR circa 1994: > > > > > > "What? Mystara has no Underdark? Then where do the Drow live??" > > > > There are no Drow in Mystara. > > > > Shadow Elves are nothing at all like the Drow. > > I see someone missed the sarcasm. > > > Ethan > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:36:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ramhog wrote: > > If you're whole argument is based on personal preference, then why am > I even wasting my time with you? I don't give a crap what you do in > your own campaign. If you don't like what I'm saying, save your > breath and move along! *You* asked why no one use the mind flayers [1], I gave you an answer. If you don't want answers, don't ask the question. [1] "...why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude..." in your message on March, 22. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:57:14 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") To: au998@freenet.carleton.ca ("'Me'") Subject: Mind Flayer Contest Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:50:04 -0500 Hi all, Well, here's my submission - enjoy! Geoff ********** Mind Thrall of Akh'All (Takh-vhol) Armour Class: 5 Hit Dice: 8+3* Horror Rating: 9 Move: 120' (40') Attacks: 1 bite, 2 tentacles, 1 mind warp, or 1 weapon Damage: 1d6, special, special, or by weapon Number Appearing: 1-2 (1-6) Save As: MU 8 Morale: 10 Treasure Type: F Intelligence: 18 Alignment: Chaotic The Mind Thralls of Akh'All, known by most Outer Being worshippers who have encountered them as Takh-vhol (literally, Mind of the Dark), are considered by many to be the living will of this Outer Being on the Prime Plane, where the Zhochal are often considered to be His eyes and ears. In many temples devoted to the worship of the Outer Beings, these creatures can be seen leading ceremonies, and interpreting the will of Akh'All to His maddened clergy. They also commonly direct the defence of such temples against invaders. They are highly intelligent, humanoid creatures, with clammy grey skin, a vaguely octopoid head, and three long, bony fingers extending from their hands. Their eyes are large, bulbous, and a pale yellow in colour (although some have been seen to possess red eyes), with horizontally slitted pupils. Surrounding their relatively small mouths are four tentacles, each of which measures roughly one foot in length, and which protrude outwards from their mouths. These they use to strike their prey. In combat, a takh-vhol may bite an opponent, doing 1d6 damage due to the many rows of sharp teeth present in its mouth. Alternatively, it may strike up to two times against one opponent with its tentacles, provided the intended victim is within one foot of the creature (usually this attack is used if the takh-vhol manages to grapple its opponent., or if the victim is prone. If a tentacle hits it will then penetrate to the brain, draw it forth, and the monster will devour it. It will take from one to four rounds for the tentacle to reach the brain, by which time the victim will be dead due to internal trauma. The other physical attack available to the takh-vhol is the use of melee weapons, in which they are often fairly proficient, preferring stabbing or piercing weapons. They tend not to possess very much brute strength, relying instead on dexterity. The major weapon of the takh-vhol, however, is its mind warp, a wave of telepathic force capable of assailing any single mortal mind within 60 feet, and all minds within five feet. Anyone affected by this attack must save vs. Death Ray (modified by Intelligence) or suffer as follows: Mind Warp Effect Table Opponent's Saving Throw Damage Intelligence Modifier Sustained 3-6 -2 4d6 damage, opponent is also feebleminded 7-10 -1 3d6 damage, opponent is rendered insane 11-14 0 2d6 damage, 50% chance opponent is stunned for 1d8 rounds 15-17 +1 1d6 damage, 25% chance opponent is stunned for 1d4 rounds 18 +2 1d4 damage, 10% chance opponent is stunned for 1d2 rounds Magic users add an additional +1 bonus to their saving throws (on top of any given for high Intelligence), and clerics add +2. A helm of telepathy provides a further bonus of +2 when worn. Those who make their saving throws will be able to act unimpeded that round, although the takh-vhol may use its mind warp against them to following round, if it desires. Not being native to the Prime Plane (the takh-vhol are believed by scholars to have originated in one of the Outer Beings' prison dimensions many millennia ago), and being wholly devoted to their blasphemous overlords, the takh-vhol are, like many other servitor races of the Outer Beings, immune to sleep, charm, and hold spells. Being what they are, however, takh-vhol are vulnerable to those spells designed to counter the Outer Beings and their servants, as well as the substance known as evilbane essence; any contact with the latter substance will inflict 1d6 points of damage upon them. -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:07:32 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> What's an OB? > >Outer beings are like immortals, worshipped and revered by moral >races. Am I correct that OB were a fan creation, and not created by TSR? Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:07:02 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer VVH wrote: >What's an OB? Ethan explained it pretty well in a nutshell, but essentially consider the Outer Beings to occupy the same cosmological position in Mystara as the Great Old Ones did in Lovecraft's mythos. In terms of power, the more prominent ones surpass Hierarch Immortals, but are weaker than Old Ones (the latter of which are described in WotI, etc.) Untold ages ago, there was a great cosmic battle between the Old Ones and the Outer Beings (some mad theorists claim they are opposite sides of the same proverbial coin, others say Outer Beings are in fact fallen Old Ones - no one knows the truth, and those that do are considered quite mad), which resulted in the imprisonment, for all time, of the OBs and their most powerful minions. Some servitors, however, evaded capture, and through the ages they have tried repeatedly to free their obscene masters, sometimes working in secret cults, and other times ruling openly, imposing their otherwoldly faith on whole nations. Today, few people know about the OBs, and even if told, many would dismiss them as figments of some demented imagination. Still, the OBs' network of servitors is growing once more, slowly, infiltrating nations and corrupting the weak and suggestible - promising ultimate power for total submission to the OBs and their unknowable aims. This is about where it would stand circa AC 1000 - a shadowy force, slowly stirring once more. The Vaults of Pandius are an excellent starting place if you want to learn more (just use the search function for "outer being"), but I would also recommend visiting Guilio Caroletti's Fifth Dimension Website (the "official" home of the OBs in the Mystaran Webring), and of course my own geocities website has a lot of OB-related material too. Hope this helps, 'til the stars are right..... Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:08:50 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer >Am I correct that OB were a fan creation, and not created by TSR? > >Mike The OBs are 100% fan-created, though the works of H.P. Lovecraft served as a source of inspiration. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:02:51 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is good stuff! George ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:11:21 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] > >This is good stuff! > > George *bows* Happy you like it! :-) If someone wants to use it in their campaign, please let me know how it fares against a PC party. I like to know these things. Geoff who has learned that Lesser Servitors of Yurrgh-Thal are nasty against four PCs averaging 4-5th level :-) -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:12:29 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OB were a fan creation directly implied by canon-TSR products (like Castle Amber, for example). The entire Nightmare dimension is canon-TSR and it does mention the possible existence of immortals and exalted beings from there. This is, as I understand it, the idea behind OB. George P.S. The link with canon-TSR material to Lovecraft is firm and direct, the entire Castle Amber, indeed all of Nouvelle Averoigne is simply based on the stories of New Averiogne from Clark Ashton Smith (one of the Lovecraft circle, who had many Cthulhu mythos elements in his stories). I know a good deal about this as I was set to work for TSR on this material officially, just before they closed the D&D line in 1994. My editor there was Jon Pickens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harvey" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > >> What's an OB? > > > >Outer beings are like immortals, worshipped and revered by moral > >races. > > Am I correct that OB were a fan creation, and not created by TSR? > > Mike > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:14 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be converting your stuff into the Borigon system for my campaign. [Shameless Plug] This is located at http://borigon.homestead.com :-) George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Gander" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] > > > >This is good stuff! > > > > George > > *bows* > > Happy you like it! :-) > > If someone wants to use it in their campaign, please let me know how it > fares against a PC party. I like to know these things. > > Geoff > > who has learned that Lesser Servitors of Yurrgh-Thal are nasty against > four PCs averaging 4-5th level :-) > > -- > Geoff Gander, BA 97 > Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon > Carnifex Loremaster > au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:42:09 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <200103232108.QAA15393@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >The OBs are 100% fan-created, though the works of H.P. Lovecraft served as >a source of inspiration. > >Geoff > But isn't there some mention of them, a brief mention, in Wrath of the Immortals? I've been buying back a *lot* of D&D stuff lately, including WotI, so I can only go on memory at this point. I recall them being mentioned in relation to Odin. Am I in the ballpark? VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:46:12 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Harvey Subject: Re: Alternate Mystara maps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Yes I have considered this very seriously. Several times I've almost started, but then did not for two main reasons: (a) Lack of time to do it all myself. Mystara is huge, and is the result of decades of develoment by many people. (b) Aassumption that nobody else in the Mystara community would be interested. I like to share my work as well as benefit from the ideas of others, and feel that many people working together make for a much more interesting and believable setting. But, knowing that at least one other person is interested (and maybe more), I'd say absolutely! There's nothing to lose and everything to gain. What I'd be interested in doing: 1. Redo the map. It should make sense geographically and culturally. Make the Known World larger - have you ever noticed that the earliest work had tiny countries, and as new realms were detailed over the years they kept getting bigger and bigger? Thyatis is pitiful compared to Alphatia, for example, and they expect me to believe that there is NOTHING interesting happening in Bellissarea despite it being larger (?) than the entire Known World? 2. Rewrite some of the nations, such as Ierendi and Atruaghin. 3. Make room for some new nations. I'd particularly like to see some more *little* nations in-between the world powers, little countries like Andorra or Leichtenstein, as well as some tracts of forest and maybe wilderness. Finally I just want some space where I can do my own thing. 4. Judiciously edit things to make the whole world a little more cohesive. For instance, knowing that the Shadow Elves exist, we can make changes to Alfheim and Rockhome to integrate them. We can fix up some contradictions from canon too. Personally I'd like to rewind just a tad from the "renaissance" level of the setting, not to make it more medeival, but more toward the pure fantasy style of the early days. FWIW, I had the same idea of redrawing the map and then "plugging in" all the Mystara material, sort of rearranging the pieces. To be honest, my goal was to develop a wholly new world that was largely inspired by Mystara, but otherwise original. It would be arranged so that all the published Mystara stuff has a place to plug in, but each country could also have its own original description so if you don't own a particular Gaz or supplement you could still use it. The entire world could be published on a web site as an original work, but one that is compatible with Mystara. OTOH I'd also be happy just to redraw the map. :-) Mike ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:45:53 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Alternate Mystara maps MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just my two-cents worth: 1) There are extensive tracts of wilderness seperating the nations now. The fact that they are claimed by one nation or another is largely irrelevant. There is no way for the host nations to guard these borders effectively since they do not possess the manpower to mount effective patrols. They are, in effect, open borders. The only control occurs where commerce will be likely to travel (and thus garner revenue for the host nation). 2) There are so many game systems in use, it is difficult to imagine something that would be suitable for all, unless it was sufficiently vague to be easily adaptable to each (D&D, AD&D, 3E, etc.). George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Harvey" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Alternate Mystara maps > Yes I have considered this very seriously. Several times I've almost > started, but then did not for two main reasons: > > (a) Lack of time to do it all myself. Mystara is huge, and is the > result of decades of develoment by many people. > > (b) Aassumption that nobody else in the Mystara community would be > interested. I like to share my work as well as benefit from the ideas > of others, and feel that many people working together make for a much > more interesting and believable setting. > > But, knowing that at least one other person is interested (and maybe > more), I'd say absolutely! There's nothing to lose and everything to > gain. What I'd be interested in doing: > > 1. Redo the map. It should make sense geographically and culturally. > Make the Known World larger - have you ever noticed that the earliest > work had tiny countries, and as new realms were detailed over the > years they kept getting bigger and bigger? Thyatis is pitiful > compared to Alphatia, for example, and they expect me to believe that > there is NOTHING interesting happening in Bellissarea despite it > being larger (?) than the entire Known World? > > 2. Rewrite some of the nations, such as Ierendi and Atruaghin. > > 3. Make room for some new nations. I'd particularly like to see some > more *little* nations in-between the world powers, little countries > like Andorra or Leichtenstein, as well as some tracts of forest and > maybe wilderness. Finally I just want some space where I can do my > own thing. > > 4. Judiciously edit things to make the whole world a little more > cohesive. For instance, knowing that the Shadow Elves exist, we can > make changes to Alfheim and Rockhome to integrate them. We can fix up > some contradictions from canon too. Personally I'd like to rewind > just a tad from the "renaissance" level of the setting, not to make > it more medeival, but more toward the pure fantasy style of the early > days. > > FWIW, I had the same idea of redrawing the map and then "plugging in" > all the Mystara material, sort of rearranging the pieces. To be > honest, my goal was to develop a wholly new world that was largely > inspired by Mystara, but otherwise original. It would be arranged so > that all the published Mystara stuff has a place to plug in, but each > country could also have its own original description so if you don't > own a particular Gaz or supplement you could still use it. The entire > world could be published on a web site as an original work, but one > that is compatible with Mystara. > > OTOH I'd also be happy just to redraw the map. :-) > > Mike > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:49:07 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Robert Grabowski Subject: Re: Outter Beings vs Old Ones Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Ramhog: I think you're confusing the Old Ones (mentioned in the Wrath of the Immortals) with OBs. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:21:20 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Mind Flayer (revised) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This is my tweak job, just to bring it up to speed for everyone. Of course, after reading Geoff's write up, I'm wondering why I bothered. lol Let me know if you all think anything seems off. It's been a long time since I've done something like this. The Mind Flayer (revised) Armor Class: 5 Hit Dice: 5** Move: 120' (40') Attacks: 4 tentacles Damage: 1d4/1d4/1d4/1d4 (see below) No. Appearing: 1(0) Save As: M10 Morale: 9 Treasure Type: F Intelligence: 18 Alignment: Chaotic XP Value: 425 Monster Type: (Planar) Monster (Very Rare) Terrain: Caverns, Ruins, Swamp The section on the mind blast power, etc. from the SR write up would go here. VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 14:17:57 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Greg Weatherup Subject: newsreaders Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks everyone who suggested Outlook express (and pointed out the dangers of it). While I don't have outlook on this computer, I do on another computer, so last time I booted that one up I tried it.. Unfortuanately I got a message about wanting to subscribe (not connect, 'subscribe') to my ISP, which I am already subscribed to! I managed to get around that and did a search for the two newsgroups (MNS and that other one that someone pointed out) but it couldn't find them :( Oh well, I bearly have enough time for the MML anyway, so I wouldn't have time to follow the MNS also... (I can't even find time to restart my stalled email games, even though I've got all the pages saved and are just waiting for me to convert them to html and upload.... speaking of which, any body know how to convert a bulleted tab indented file to html w/out having to retype the whole thing?). Thanks again... Greg Weatherup Gecko GWxup@excite.com Gecko_G@email.com http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/spock/67/index.html http://members.fortunecity.com/Gecko_G/ _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:55:49 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't have CM7, so I dont know exactly what the > module says, but I see no reason why some of the elves > couldn't have survived and went into hiding, possibly > preparing a revolt against Moorkoft. > in fact the elves have become one with the tree's of the forest, and depending on the outcome of the adventure, can even reclaim the sylvan realm. Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:16:52 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > What's an OB? > I am, Jason O Brien ;-) aka Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:33:03 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Outter Beings vs Old Ones In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Ramhog: I think you're confusing the Old Ones (mentioned in the Wrath of the >Immortals) with OBs. That is a distinct possibility! :) But, did I read correctly that the two are related in the Known World? I'm pretty well versed in Lovecraft-speak, so spare no gobbledy-gook! VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:35:01 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <00c201c0b3e7$b8aaea40$44f5869f@pbncomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > >> What's an OB? >> >I am, >Jason O Brien ;-) >aka Mortus. > I just blew my sanity roll! AAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:39:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <115382001352321732156@dsl-only.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Michael Harvey wrote: > Am I correct that OB were a fan creation, and not created by TSR? Not quite. OB's are mentioned in M3 - Twilight Calling, as the beings that Carnifex served. Geoff just made them more than just two words :) Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:43:40 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > >> What's an OB? > >> > >I am, > >Jason O Brien ;-) > >aka Mortus. > > > > I just blew my sanity roll! > > AAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bwahahaha another one driven over the deep end.the masters will be pleased. bwahahaha. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:59:00 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] In-Reply-To: <200103232057.PAA13662@freenet10.carleton.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" This is excellent! I especially liked how you reworked the "sudden death" aspect out of the mind blast power (I also like "mind warp"). I have a couple of questions- If you've read my version, you'll notice I lowered the hit dice a bit. I notice here that you actually *increased* the number. Why so? I was also wondering about the two tentacle attack, instead of four. I was picturing them zonking someone with a mind blast and then making a casual dining experience out of their brains. Digging four tentacles into a helpless victim's noggin wouldn't seem like much of a problem. Are you thinking in terms of a combat situation? I ask since I'm still re-familiarizing myself with the system and have yet to get a handle on it's finer points. I'm trying to learn by comparison, in this case. :) VVH > > From: GANDERG@tc.gc.ca ("Gander, Geoff") > > ********** > > Mind Thrall of Akh'All (Takh-vhol) > > Armour Class: 5 > Hit Dice: 8+3* > Horror Rating: 9 > Move: 120' (40') > Attacks: 1 bite, 2 tentacles, 1 mind warp, or 1 weapon > Damage: 1d6, special, special, or by weapon > Number Appearing: 1-2 (1-6) > Save As: MU 8 > Morale: 10 > Treasure Type: F > Intelligence: 18 > Alignment: Chaotic > > -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:51:52 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Outter Beings vs Old Ones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Old Ones of Mystara are NOT the Great Old Ones of Lovecraft and Co. They are powers above even the Immortals! One of them did Rad... George ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramhog" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Outter Beings vs Old Ones > >Ramhog: I think you're confusing the Old Ones (mentioned in the Wrath of the > >Immortals) with OBs. > > That is a distinct possibility! :) > > But, did I read correctly that the two are related in the Known > World? I'm pretty well versed in Lovecraft-speak, so spare no > gobbledy-gook! > > > VVH > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:28:56 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: Outter Beings vs Old Ones In-Reply-To: <046d01c0b3eb$ec698a40$8b39abd0@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >The Old Ones of Mystara are NOT the Great Old Ones of Lovecraft and Co. They >are powers above even the Immortals! One of them did Rad... > Um... could you explain "did Rad"? -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:38:25 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: Outter Beings vs Old Ones MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a spoiler... Do not go further, if you are playing WOTI... Alternate Event #2: Where all magic, even that of the Immortals ceases and a tall, dark figure in the shape of a shadowy silhouette of a robed creature steps out and forces Rad to enter the Nucleus of the Spheres and then destroys it. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "ramhog" To: Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Outter Beings vs Old Ones > >The Old Ones of Mystara are NOT the Great Old Ones of Lovecraft and Co. They > >are powers above even the Immortals! One of them did Rad... > > > > Um... could you explain "did Rad"? > > -- > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:38:41 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The official mention of the Carnifex was module M1: Twilight Calling. The > premise was essentially an excuse to massacre your players (I've never run > it, but I know people who have, and they say that party fatalities are > almost certain). Aside from that, it was a bit of a disappointment, > because there are no pictures of them, only a couple of paragraphs of > history, and no insights really into how they think or what they do. > > Geoff > I ran M3. It was a challenging test for a high level party. I believe that there were a couple of casualties along the way, but with raise dead fully, they all made it out in the end. One guy even escaped from the meat grinder! I think it was written at an appropriate challenge level for a well-rounded party of level 30-ish PCs, more so than some of the other M series. The PCs definitely remember it! Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:43:22 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Sylvan Realm? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The main problem is that the Sylvan Realm was conquered by Moorkroft > Elvenbane centuries ago, so there are no more elves in the Sylvan Realm... It depends on the dating of CM7, Tree of Life. It had to occur pre-Wrath, but was never detailed out in any timelines. If not, it could take place in a post-Wrath, restored Alfheim. Pre-wrath makes more sense, since the problems with the ToL were even greater during the SE take-over. Having it happen after, is just not as climactic. I would suggest AC 1001-1005 as a possible timeframe. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:38:33 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer Ethan wrote: >Not quite. > >OB's are mentioned in M3 - Twilight Calling, as the beings that Carnifex >served. > >Geoff just made them more than just two words :) Wow! I must have forgotten that tiny reference, because M3 never crossed my mind when I started designing the OB "pantheon" - the name sort of popped into my head, but then again, perhaps I did remember the name on a subconscious level...or maybe, something *is* out there, requiring minds to give them shape. ;-P Anyhow, there's the answer, Outer Being does not = Old One, and the whole body of literatire to be found on the various websites (spells, servitor races, magic items, cosmology, and more) is, I can assure you, fan-created. Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 22:46:51 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] VVH wrote: >This is excellent! I especially liked how you reworked the "sudden >death" aspect out of the mind blast power (I also like "mind warp"). :-) Glad you approve. >I have a couple of questions- If you've read my version, you'll >notice I lowered the hit dice a bit. I notice here that you actually >*increased* the number. Why so? When I read the original stats, I thought I saw the hit dice listed as being 8+3, so that's what I listed as the HD count for the final monster. Not that I mind your lowering it; I've never seen mind flayer stats before, so I wouldn't have known what they were supposed to be. >I was also wondering about the two tentacle attack, instead of four. >I was picturing them zonking someone with a mind blast and then >making a casual dining experience out of their brains. Digging four >tentacles into a helpless victim's noggin wouldn't seem like much of >a problem. Are you thinking in terms of a combat situation? Yes, IMC, attacks against helpless opponents (like those whose minds have been warped) are automatically successful. In combat terms, I would think no more than two tentacles would be risked in a quick lurch up the victim's ear canals or nostrils. The Horror Rating attribute is also a product of my past work - I've devised rules for insanity in OD&D. Simple stuff - enough to convey the impact of insanity without leafing through reams of tables covering different sorts of insanity. All OB-related critters Idevise have this stat, to be used in conjunction with the rules, to govern how sane folk interact with them (or don't). It's optional, of course, but I've had fun with my players already! :-) Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 23:12:36 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geoff, Can you explain how this works? Is it some kind of saving throw against the Horror Rating to avoid insanity? The Horror Rating attribute is also a product of my past work - I've > devised rules for insanity in OD&D. Simple stuff - enough to convey the > impact of insanity without leafing through reams of tables covering > different sorts of insanity. All OB-related critters Idevise have this > stat, to be used in conjunction with the rules, to govern how sane folk > interact with them (or don't). It's optional, of course, but I've had fun > with my players already! :-) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:22:04 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have created a weather generation applet. It is not done yet, but I thought I'd share what I have done so far and get your opinions. It is here: http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/frp/java/weather/weather.html The applet is based on the weather generation system on the Western Trail Map. You can select a location and enter a range of dates and it will generate hour-by-hour daily weather for that location. It is not yet fully functional; it does basic temperature, wind, and precipitation, but does not yet handle location-specific instructions (like rain only at night in Alfheim), wind direction, or special considerations (like weather at sea, or in the mountains). The output is simple text. I developed and tested the app on the command line so the output table is designed to line up with a monospaced font (like Courier). I prefer to generate weather (and encounters) for a month or two in advance. If I think the characters may travel to other places, I generate weather for all places I think they might go. As GM this lets me know what is coming up and gives me additional data for descriptive purposes. Also, torrential rains (producing floods) and other unusual weather can be an important part of adventuring. Anyway, this "batch generation" is what I designed it for. Theoretically you could do a year or more at a time, or as little as a day. Try it out. I tested it with Netscape 4.6 and IE 5.0, so let me know if it doesn't work on your configuration. General comments on what would be useful, what you like or don't like, etc, are appreciated. If the temperature numbers look funny, it may be due to the seasonal variation (which is computed but not reported). Also the transitions from season to season are rather abrupt; I will smooth this out in the final version. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:00:30 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Larry E. Lamb" Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It worked for me. Looks good ;-) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:30:34 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wowwwwwww!!!! you're good!!!!! congrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! can i have the applet once done please??? Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:50:08 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Try it out. I tested it with Netscape 4.6 and IE 5.0, so let me know > if it doesn't work on your configuration. General comments on what > would be useful, what you like or don't like, etc, are appreciated. > > If the temperature numbers look funny, it may be due to the seasonal > variation (which is computed but not reported). Also the transitions > from season to season are rather abrupt; I will smooth this out in > the final version. I tested it with netscape 4.7 and it works fine. i like this app, and i too would like to have it when it's completed. do you plan to increase coverage, to include the savage coast or any fan created areas. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 13:20:31 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike Harvey wrote: > I have created a weather generation applet. It is not done yet, but I > thought I'd share what I have done so far and get your opinions. It rocks! What would make it immensely useful (to me, at least), would = be if you could also output the temperatures in degrees Celsius. ;) I = particularly enjoy the "Fog (vis 0')" result! (That should be a = multiplier of 10', the example states that 0 is 10, I suspect all rolls = of 0 makes your visibility range 0', which it shouldn't be) And the = "Overcast Fog" is certainly possible, and great fun too! ("I try to fly = above the fog." "The fog seems to get denser as you rise.") Like everybody else on the list, "I wanna own it! I'll be a god!". Once = it's done. With or without degrees Celsius. Great job! Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:39:53 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Mind Flayer "Contest" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a different take. While I might as well have called it "Mind = Flayer", I chose not to, so that people won't be looking at the exact = same name for a number of (slightly) different monsters. Anyway, enjoy it, and I hope it's useful to somebody. Sorry Geoff, if I copied too much from you, I accidentally deleted the = original Mind Flayer description, the revised version didn't contain the = Mind Blast description, and I couldn't access the MML archives. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk --- MIND MELTER (Vez-thaggh) Armor Class: 5 Hit Dice: 5** Move: 120' (40') Attacks: 2 claws, 1 Mind Melt, or tentacles Damage: 1d6/1d6, special, special No. Appearing: 1d4 (1d4) Save As: M10 Morale: 7 Treasure Type: F Intelligence: 6 Alignment: Chaotic XP Value: 425 The Mind Melter is a creature native to the Nightmare Dimension. In that = dimension they are known as "Vez-thaggh" or Brain Scavengers. They are = humanoid in appearance, with dull grey skin, making them able to blend = in with rocky terrain. Their hands have three fingers that end in sharp, = strong claws, that they can use to defend themselves. They have no = opposable thumbs. Their heads are vaguely octopoid, and feature two = slightly glowing yellow, bulbous eyes, and a small mouth circled by four = foot-long tentacles. These tentacles are used to extract brains from = their prey, since they can feed only on cerebral matter. =20 The Mind Melters roam the wilderness of the Nightmare Dimension in small = flocks looking for carrion or weak creatures to overcome, so that they = may eat their brains. The creature has limited intelligence, but is able = to communicate telepathically. It cannot speak, but may make hissing, = sputtering noises. The creatures are cunning, and are able to create = intricate traps, particularly when working together in a small flock. In the Nightmare Dimension they are at best considered a nuisance. = However, when they find their way to the Prime Plane, they become highly = feared, and have come to be known as Mind Melters. This is because their = telepathic powers work differently on creatures from the Prime Plane. = When the Mind Melter uses telepathy on a Prime Planar being, it's alien = thoughts produce an effect known as the Mind Melt. This is a devastating = telepathic attack that will likely render it's victim(s) prone, so that = it may feed unopposed. The creature can affect a specific character = within 60' (in which case the victim gets a -2 penalty on it's Saving = Throw), or affect everyone within 10'. Affected creatures must Save vs. = Death Ray (modified by their intelligence), or suffer the following = effects: Opponent's Saving Throw Damage Intelligence Modifier Sustained 18+ -2 4d6 damage, opponent is also = feebleminded 15-17 -1 3d6 damage, opponent is rendered = insane 11-14 0 2d6 damage, 50% chance opponent = is stunned for 1d8 rounds 7-10 +1 1d6 damage, 25% chance opponent = is stunned for 1d4 rounds 3-6 +2 1d4 damage, 10% chance opponent = is stunned for 1d2 rounds Creatures with intelligence below 3 are unaffected by the Mind Melt. = Creatures with intelligence above 18 are able to communicate = telepathically with the Mind Melters, though they must still make a Save = or be affected by the Mind Melt. The Mind Melt can be used once per = round. Having protection from ESP grants immunity to the Mind Melt, = while using ESP or Telepathy on a Mind Melter will make the victim more = susceptible to the Mind Melt, instantly Saving with an additional -4 = penalty to the Saving Throw. When a Mind Melter faces a prone victim, it will devour the brain. This = is done by inserting it's four tentacles into the victim's nostrils and = ears (or other convenient orifices), reaching the brain in 1d4 rounds. = If the victim is still alive during this process, he will take 1d4 = damage per round, and is killed when the brain is finally extracted. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:48:27 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: OB and their minions... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, about OB, and the way of use them in a campaign, i find them a very good = and useful idea. At the moment my PCs are exploring an ancient taymoran = complex where they have find some clues about their existence... They = are even been contacted by the OB in dreams, and two of my players have = become servants, without the others knowing this.. (Obviously my PCs = don't read the MML : - ) There will be a lot of time before the others will discover who is = sabotaging them : - ) Besides i use the OB as great dark powers, able to instill despair in = anyone's soul, and bring anyone to serve them out of fear... I didn't = use any dices or morale roll to make two players serve them, i just = convince them that fight evil was a pointless thing, because THEY WERE, = and THEY WILL BE. : - ) IMHO the fascinating way of use them is not to use them as an evil who = can kill you, but rather use them as an evil who can become a part of = you... =20 Francesco =20 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:49:19 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: mind flayers will conquer mystara : - ) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You fools, illithids are taking control of your brain and prepare to invade Mystara = ! They will easy rule this little world with no psionics and all of you = will serve them ! : - ) Just a joke, but it would be not a bad idea for a big adventure: an = invasion of illithids, with all the problems of fighting against = psionics powers for a world who never experienced them... But i cannot run this kind of adventure, because i use psionics in = mystara quite from the beginning of my campaign (ten years ago) and = sometime i used mind flayers too, even if in my campaign they don't have = a permanent foothold in the world, but rather they appear sometime.. = (they appear mostly when i want to scare my psionic PC eh eh eh : - ) Anyway i'm thinking about the idea of using them as allies of the = carnifex... (this really will scare my PCs eh eh eh : - ) =20 Francesco ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:50:03 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Francesco Defferrari Subject: CM7 Comments: To: mystara almanac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, someone will be so kind to tell me what exactly happens in CM7 Tree of = Life ? I don't own the module (never saw it in Italy) and i think i = cannot find it anyway... Besides i think it will be a good idea for the next almanac to develop = the region of the ancient sylvan realm, because the surronding nations = have been very well developed on the last almanac... I think that the story of the sylvan realm has to be integrated wih the = history of the region (well someone will have noticed that 100.000 or = more elves disappeared or not ?) (But better if the work is done but someone who has written about those = nations and owns CM7) =20 Francesco ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:15:40 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Alex Benson Subject: Re: Knight of Newt MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 3/20/01 6:10:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, mattwang97@YAHOO.COM writes: << Speaking of stuff on sale... Has anyone ever been able to find this? I think it was a "Challenger" module and I have only seen it once on Ebay. Anyone have any details on it? Thanks, Matt Wang >> i have this module. it's a low level adventure set for 4-6 players of 1st-2nd levels. it is based in the ThunderRift sub-Setting. this setting can easily be adapted into Mystara so that is not a problem. before i continue....i'll go ahead and state that i have never ran or played this adventure out. i have it because the price was $3 at the gaming store. the module has the monster cut out chits and, at the time, i was collecting those for wargaming projects. the adventure is low level and pretty straight-forward. it is based on an ancient sunken fortress/stronghold. the adventure is set up so that it can be ran with or without a DM. this limits player options and malkes the adventure a series of connected rooms. the pcs basically go in a linear sequence through the stronghold until they reach the final room and the adventure's objective is met. the module's content is slim....16 pages for a mere 15 rooms/locations. alot of these pages could be removed as they have been lengthened to offer scripted options for a group not using a DM. there are also sections introducing the newt monster, a few magic items, and epilogue type info. plus there is a good degre of fluff for those new gamers and inexperienced DMs. as far as monsters go, the adventure sees mostly 1-2 HD monsters. there is a water elemental, but i think it can be avoided by small 1st level groups. there are some shamans too. as you may be able to tell, i am not a big fan of the module. it is a simple little adventure. iirc it was part of the introductory line of adventures set for the DnD rules. much of that line was watered down. for an introduction to DnD the adventure is fine. i see it as comparable to the adventure in the DnD red box....short, simple walkthrough. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:52:49 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Re: [GANDERG@tc.gc.ca: Mind Flayer Contest] Dan wrote: >Geoff, >Can you explain how this works? Is it some kind of saving throw against the >Horror Rating to avoid insanity? Not exactly, but the idea is right. I'll enclose a summarised version of the rules below (the full version is available on Shawn's site, and the Fifth Dimension website as well, I think): Insanity Rules - Quickie Version My system encompasses two things - a Horror Rating and a Horror Check. Each nasty creature (some from the RC, others of my own demented imagination) has a score governing how horrific it is to behold - its Horror Rating. I should note that the Horror Rating is not simply a function of appearance - some creatures simply "do not belong" in a sane world (for example, I gave Spectral Hounds a Horror Rating of 3 - more on this later), and thus they will disturb whoever sees them. I used this to get around the fact that, unlike CoC or other 20th century horror games, Mystara abounds in all sorts of monsters (orcs, goblins, etc.) which, although ugly to humans for the most part, are still "normal". The average person knows that dragons live in the wilderness (although they are thankfully rare), humanoids prowl the wilderness, and all sorts of giant fish live in the seas. That's okay. What's *not* okay are creatures which are not only bizarre or frightening in appearance; they are clearly not of this world. This is made all the worse when such creatures are obviously evil. At any rate, I assigned each creature a Horror Rating, a number between 1 (not too horrific) and 20 (mind-shatteringly blasphemous). For example, I rated a beholder as a 6, a Neh-Thalggu a 10, a Diabolus a 2, and a phantom a 3. Outer Beings, should they ever be seen, rate a 20. Most creatures fall in the 5-12 range, it seems. The Horror Rating works as follows: When the creature is encountered, the DM makes a secret Horror Check by rolling 1d20 against the Horror Rating. If the number rolled is equal to, or less than, the given Horror Rating, the person encountering it may develop some form of insanity, or be otherwise incapacitated for a time. If the number rolled is above the Horror Rating, the person may be shaken, or startled, but nothing untoward occurs. I should note here that I also included situations where Horror Checks should be rolled (which do not involve monsters). Examples include witnessing the murder of a loved one, seeing a mutilated corpse for the first time, and so on. To determine the chance of insanity, we rolled 1d100, with the unmodified chance being 50% (50 or less on d100 means the person goes loopy). There are, of course, modifiers. First, the creature's Horror Rating modifies the roll - the higher the Horror Rating, the larger the penalty, such that seeing an Outer Being (Horror Rating 20, insanity modifier +30%) automatically increases the chance of insanity to 80%. However, high Wisdom scores *lower* the chance of insanity (up to a -15% reduction) - I attribute this as a way of saying that wise people udnerstand that there are some things in the universe that defy rational explanation, and thus such people can "accept" that Lesser Servitors of Yurrgh-Thal *can* exist in a sane world, much as they might wish it wasn't so. Finally, there are situational modifiers - higher levels add more protection, while already suffering mental disorders of some kind make you more susceptible to becoming insane, etc. At any rate, the DM will arrive at a final percent chance that the person will become insane, and roll 1d100. If the number rolled is less than or equal to that number, the DM will then roll on the insanity tables to determine what sort of malady strikes the person (modified by judgement and common sense - you can't develop acrophobia while being in a dungeon, for example). I should note here that, unlike CoC (3rd ed. anyway, which is what I have at home), I give the person a fighting chance. If they make an insanity check (ie: they don't go loopy) against a specific creature, they will receive a bonus against that type of creature the next time they see it. This bonus is a one-time thing (ie: you can't become "immune" to that creature if you see it often enough), but it does help. If the Horror Check had been failed (as above) but the Insanity Check was not, the victim will be stunned for 1d6 rounds - basically gibbering, screaming, and otherwise unable to do much - but they do not become insane. They become "momentarily unhinged". Those who *fail* this second check (the insanity check) are the ones who acquire an insanity. Whew! There you go - those are my rules in a nutshell. I've used them a couple of times already, and they seem to work. The emphasis is on playability; my rules don't go into excessive detail about the insanities (I provide rough categories, relying on the DM (and possibly the player if he or she is interested) to fill in the details). One of my players has acquired a mild insanity under these rules (a strong dislike for underground passages, and a deep fear of the tentacles-and-flames emblem of the Yurrgh-Thal cult - he will lose his marbles whenever he sees it, now). Hope this helps, Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:07:36 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: mind flayers will conquer mystara : - ) In-Reply-To: <01aa01c0b469$60085b20$547f1c97@fdefferr.tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 24 Mar 2001, Francesco Defferrari wrote: > Just a joke, but it would be not a bad idea for a big adventure: an > invasion of illithids, with all the problems of fighting against > psionics powers for a world who never experienced them... Just show the Illithids the 3e rules - and watch them quiver in fear that their 'powers' are no longer superior to normal magic. Or use the variant rules, and watch as the 'thids are obliterated because they have no magical defense. Ethan - hated illithids. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:56:48 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Help (yourselves and me). MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having SERIOUS trouble with my ISP. So, please, tell me: after 0:00 (from Fri to Sat) GMT, ie, 4pm PST (GMT -8), the only msgs I have are: - Re: [MYSTARA] D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D from Dan Eustace - Re: [MYSTARA] Sylvan Realm? from Dan Eustace - Mind Flayer (3 msgs) - Weather Generetion applet (4 msgs) It's now 2pm GMT Sat (6am PST). Is tit right? Have I lost msgs? I'm proud to tell you that - SO FAR - I've GOT allllllll msgs since I joined the list. I know we must have some safe backups. Please help us. vini. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:55:23 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 My, my..I see that there has been a Mystara Weather System programming craze lately. :) My congratulations to Mike Harvey as his program is looking pretty good so far. Thanks to Jacob Skytte's kindness to post the TM Weather System, since then I have been able to work on my own version of a program to run weather in Mystara. Fortunately, I have been able to get everything to work nicely including visibility, wind direction, even the optional season trends and what not. If anybody has MATLAB (or just wishes to see my code for their own conversion)I would be willing to share my program with them... It REALLY saves a lot of work! :) Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:33:13 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I don't know about the rest of you (maybe you're luckier than me), but except for the mailing list, *no one* I know talks about anything but AD&D campaigns. I mean OD&D is so unpopular compared to 2e, that except for my group of friends I don't know anyone who's played ODD, let alone that would admit it. (AD&D players seem to feel that OD&D is a lesser version of D&D or something.) Angelo >From: Jacob Skytte Reply-To: Mystara To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:41:40 >+0100 > >But you must have been pretty isolated to not have heard heaps of it. I've >never played in any of those campaigns either, but I still connect Mind >Flayers with them from tales of other players. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:42:50 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "David S. Leland" Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) In-Reply-To: <200103241555.HAA14618@mail14.bigmailbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I would love to see a MATLAB Mystaran weather generator. I've always thought MATLAB would be a good language for some of these random table things :) Please send me a copy of the code? :) --Magus Coeruleus At 07:55 AM 3/24/01, Ramses Ramirez wrote: >My, my..I see that there has been a Mystara Weather System programming craze lately. :) My congratulations to Mike Harvey as his program is looking pretty good so far. Thanks to Jacob Skytte's > kindness to post the TM Weather System, since then I have been able to work on my own version of a program to run weather in Mystara. Fortunately, I have been able to get everything to work nicely including visibility, wind direction, even the optional season trends and what not. If anybody has MATLAB (or just wishes to see my code for their own conversion)I would be willing to share my program with them... It REALLY saves a lot of work! :) > >Lancer ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:00:46 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed My first reaction is to have multiple HD. There could be more powerful ones. >From: ramhog >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:42:09 -0600 > >> >> >>The OBs are 100% fan-created, though the works of H.P. Lovecraft served as >>a source of inspiration. >> >>Geoff >> > >But isn't there some mention of them, a brief mention, in Wrath of >the Immortals? I've been buying back a *lot* of D&D stuff lately, >including WotI, so I can only go on memory at this point. > >I recall them being mentioned in relation to Odin. Am I in the ballpark? > > >VVH > >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:02:09 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Mind Flayer (revised) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The more HD comment was for this. And by more HD, I mean a list of different HD >From: ramhog >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Mind Flayer (revised) >Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:21:20 -0600 > >This is my tweak job, just to bring it up to speed for everyone. Of >course, after reading Geoff's write up, I'm wondering why I bothered. >lol > >Let me know if you all think anything seems off. It's been a long >time since I've done something like this. > > >The Mind Flayer (revised) > >Armor Class: 5 >Hit Dice: 5** >Move: 120' (40') >Attacks: 4 tentacles >Damage: 1d4/1d4/1d4/1d4 (see below) >No. Appearing: 1(0) >Save As: M10 >Morale: 9 >Treasure Type: F >Intelligence: 18 >Alignment: Chaotic >XP Value: 425 > >Monster Type: (Planar) Monster (Very Rare) > >Terrain: Caverns, Ruins, Swamp > > >The section on the mind blast power, etc. from the SR write up would go >here. > > >VVH > > >-- > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:48:12 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Around here it seems a lot of people dislike D&D in general, and the others are divided between D&D3 and AD&D.... a lot of people played OD&D when they were first starting out, but now scoff at it as a "childrens version" of D&D. Let's see, of the gamers I know personally: 6 will play anything 5 prefer Fudge 4 prefer D&D3 3 prefer AD&D 1 prefers GURPS I am currently running OD&D. I think the group mostly tolerates it because the game is fun and I'm the GM. Mike > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:33:13 -0000 > Reply-to: Mystara > From: Angelo Bertolli > Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer > To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > I don't know about the rest of you (maybe you're luckier than me), but > except for the mailing list, *no one* I know talks about anything but AD&D > campaigns. I mean OD&D is so unpopular compared to 2e, that except for my > group of friends I don't know anyone who's played ODD, let alone that would > admit it. (AD&D players seem to feel that OD&D is a lesser version of D&D > or something.) > > Angelo > > > >From: Jacob Skytte Reply-To: Mystara To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:41:40 > >+0100 > > > >But you must have been pretty isolated to not have heard heaps of it. I've > >never played in any of those campaigns either, but I still connect Mind > >Flayers with them from tales of other players. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:04:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Marco Fossati Subject: AC 1010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi to everyone My just started campaign is settled in Glantri, just after the end of The Wrath of The Immortals. Unluckily I haven't the PWA I.... May you can tell me the major events of that year? Cheers, Marco Fossati ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 20:45:17 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Jacob Skytte Subject: Re: OD&D campaigns (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Angelo Bertolli wrote: > I don't know about the rest of you (maybe you're luckier than me), but > except for the mailing list, *no one* I know talks about anything but = AD&D > campaigns. I mean OD&D is so unpopular compared to 2e, that except = for my > group of friends I don't know anyone who's played ODD, let alone that = would > admit it. (AD&D players seem to feel that OD&D is a lesser version = of D&D > or something.) I'm the only one I know personally who's even got a Rules Cyclopedia. = The people I play with don't usually play any rpgs, so I basically call = the shots when deciding rules. When I go to conventions, I meet a mix of = people who like all kinds of rules, but most use AD&D for the = Gazetteers, even if they like them. I think I've only ever played a = single OD&D adventure at a con. Jacob Skytte scythe@wanadoo.dk ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:11:18 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "ramhog" > > And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder > (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? It is a matter of flavor, mostly -- as described in the Illithiad, the mind flayer is highly psionic, strongly magic resistant, and inherently evil to an extent that even the beholder is not. All of these features are tricky to reconcile with the general mood and known peculiarities of the Mystara setting. I am not saying that it cannot be done -- just that there are some real difficulties that do not exist in the case of most other types of monsters. I don't think it is much of a stretch to say that the mind flayer is a contender for being the D&D/AD&D monster least compatible with Mystara -- but I must confess that I actually did manage to introduce one into a Mystara campaign once. It was an extradimensional visitor, of course -- in this case very well disguised as a beautiful woman. After that encounter a certain male fighter became very wary of any woman who seemed to love him for his mind.... ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:22:40 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Map of Undersea? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Mike Harvey" > Is there a map of the Undersea realm? I'm assuming this would be > an "inverted trailmap", with details of the seafloor but showing land > areas as featureless blobs. I was looking at the trailmap and found > Colhador and Koom's Castle, and got to wondering about other > Underseas locations, especially since my group recently encountered > merfolk in the Minrothad area. Yes, PC 3 The Sea People has such a map, but as I recall it does not remove enough of the details of the surface realms. Maybe someone else who has either a scanner or some degree of artistic talent as well as the map can put something together on it along the lines of what Thibault has been doing with the land realms of Mystara. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:50:32 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Here is my MATLAB Mystara Weather Generator!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_985474232-25302-0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_985474232-25302-0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Magus, Certainly sir, here you go! If anyone else on the MML would like to download this MATLAB file go right on ahead! I just had a couple short heads-up about the file for you all: 1) I have not had enough time (though I will get around to it son) to write in all the weather stats for all the countries. I have only done Glantri and Karameikos so far. However, if you look at the MATLAB file you can easily add some "nation codes" and an "elseif" statement for every extra nation in the Known World. This is easy to do.. just use the Karameikos one as an example. You won't need to change the rest of the file at all, just add in the weather info per country. This is of course assuming you have the data from the TMs which if you don't Jacob had uploaded this information on the list a few days ago under "Help!Devising Mystaran Weather System!" 2) There are three matrices that I suggest "updating" in the file per month unless you want the same d6,d10,d100 rolls on the same days every month... These are the "Percent" matrix which is your 1d00 roll, the "dice" matrix which is your d10 and your "winddice" matrix which is the d20+1 matrix that determines wind variations. To modify these matrices efficiently I would go to an automatic die roller on the web. the FRP Roller at http://www.crossover.com/costik/frpdice.html is a particularly GREAT one! 3) MATLAB is buggy and gets confused if you do not "clear all" and "clc" before every run. Just remember to do this. That is all I had to say! I hope you guys/gals like it! If you have any questions whatsoever please email me back. Enjoy! Lancer >I would love to see a MATLAB Mystaran weather generator. 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========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:58:34 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: [ADMIN] Attachments Just a quick reminder to everyone, to avoid sending attachments to the MML. While some can easily receive the files and use them, it ends up being a long stream of garbage characters for other people (like me). Thanks, Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 15:48:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: Here is my MATLAB Mystara Weather Generator!!! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Everyone, if anyone had trouble downloading (like getting garbage characters) the Weather Generator from the MML then let me know and I will email it to your personal address.. Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 23:59:46 +0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Paul Benfield Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer In-Reply-To: <0ad901c0b4b4$8b382780$dda61a26@q6s7w2> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 25/3/01 6:11 am, David Knott at uashell@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: I've given some thought as to how Psionics could work in Mystara, I loved the recently voiced idea of Shadow Elves having them. Otherwise one idea I thought of was that certain ancient artifacts could cause the 'awakening' of psionics in the world as a very localised event. Whether through mutation of nearby peoples or through the releasing of existing but untapped powers these buried treasures could provide the necessary catalyst for psionics to emerge. Currently I can think of two sources for this, Blackmoor or Nithia. If Blackmoor were used then I suppose that a concentration of Psions in Glantri would be on the cards due to the Nucleus of the Spheres (that would put the cat amongst the pigeons!) otherwise then Psions could start springing up in Thothia perhaps... Both my player and I are very interested in exploring the new Psionics Handbook in our 3ed campaign. If we turn to new players of the game and simply state "sorry no Psionics on our world" then we could discourage some people from campaigning in Mystara. As a side note years ago I ran a Spelljammer game based out of my own very unique view of the Mystaran solar system - I didn't have any idea of the other planets in the system so I used the Spelljammer rules and created my own. If the campaign had reached its conclusion then Illithids would have come to Mystara following the PCs on their trip home from an Illithid held crystal sphere. I would agree that Illithids are not native to Mystara - however that doesn't mean there aren't any skulking in shadows somewhere... Paul Benfield > From: "ramhog" >> >> And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder >> (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? > > It is a matter of flavor, mostly -- as described in the Illithiad, the > mind flayer is highly psionic, strongly magic resistant, and inherently > evil to an extent that even the beholder is not. All of these features > are tricky to reconcile with the general mood and known peculiarities > of the Mystara setting. I am not saying that it cannot be done -- just > that there are some real difficulties that do not exist in the case of > most other types of monsters. I don't think it is much of a stretch > to say that the mind flayer is a contender for being the D&D/AD&D > monster least compatible with Mystara -- but I must confess that I > actually did manage to introduce one into a Mystara campaign once. > It was an extradimensional visitor, of course -- in this case very well > disguised as a beautiful woman. After that encounter a certain male > fighter became very wary of any woman who seemed to love him > for his mind.... > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:32 +1000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: shawn stanley Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 07:55 24/03/01 -0800, you wrote: >My, my..I see that there has been a Mystara Weather System programming craze lately. :) My congratulations to Mike Harvey as his program is looking pretty good so far. Thanks to Jacob Skytte's > kindness to post the TM Weather System, since then I have been able to work on my own version of a program to run weather in Mystara. Fortunately, I have been able to get everything to work nicely including visibility, wind direction, even the optional season trends and what not. If anybody has MATLAB (or just wishes to see my code for their own conversion)I would be willing to share my program with them... It REALLY saves a lot of work! :) what is MATLAB? shawn stanley http://dnd.starflung.com what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me - mightyfew, "i can't wait" ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:02:48 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: Help (yourselves and me). On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:56:48 -0300, Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: >I'm having SERIOUS trouble with my ISP. So, please, tell me: after 0:00 >(from Fri to Sat) GMT, ie, 4pm PST (GMT -8), the only msgs I have are: > > >- Re: [MYSTARA] D&D/OD&D/Basic D&D and AD&D > from Dan Eustace > >- Re: [MYSTARA] Sylvan Realm? > from Dan Eustace > > - Mind Flayer (3 msgs) > - Weather Generetion applet (4 msgs) > >It's now 2pm GMT Sat (6am PST). Is tit right? Have I lost msgs? >I'm proud to tell you that - SO FAR - I've GOT allllllll msgs since I >joined the list. I know we must have some safe backups. > Strangely I've also experienced missing mails in the last several weeks. However, I've solved the problem by singing into the archives and replying to messages from there (which also means I won't have to save old messages). You can find the list of Mailing Lists hosted by Wizards at: Mystara-L (or MML) is one of these, but the direct link to the archives of this mailing list is I've contacted Geoff Gander on this subject several times and he has made Wizards aware of the problem. Yet it persists for some reason. Given the problems with the various message boards, my hope that the problem will be solved has diminished quite a bit, so I've begun using the archives instead. I suggest you do the same. You can do as I have and sign in there with a password (some traffic between the list-server and your mailbox for this, but it's not a problem) and have your computer set up a 'cookie' so that you're recognized automatically whenever you go to the archives. Or you can cut messages from the archives and then send them from your address (it's a bit annoying, though). I hope this helps. - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:01:50 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the Borigon system (of my own design) psychic powers are part of the normal hierarchy of powers: 1) Psychic powers; these are generally acquired through intense practice or by intense experiences (the "awakening" of powers). Psychic powers are derived from within. 2) Low magic; the use of external powers to accomplish practical effects. This can be accomplished through rituals or devices. 3) Spirit magic; the acquisition of powers through pacts with spirits. 4) High magic; the acquisition of powers through self-development. 5) Religious magic; the acquisition of powers through faith. Within a class of power the level of skill determines how effective a power is. If a lower class goes up against a higher class then there are detriments to the effect of the lower power. In my Mystara campaign this works very well. George ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benfield" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > on 25/3/01 6:11 am, David Knott at uashell@EARTHLINK.NET wrote: > > > I've given some thought as to how Psionics could work in Mystara, I loved > the recently voiced idea of Shadow Elves having them. Otherwise one idea I > thought of was that certain ancient artifacts could cause the 'awakening' of > psionics in the world as a very localised event. Whether through mutation of > nearby peoples or through the releasing of existing but untapped powers > these buried treasures could provide the necessary catalyst for psionics to > emerge. > > Currently I can think of two sources for this, Blackmoor or Nithia. If > Blackmoor were used then I suppose that a concentration of Psions in Glantri > would be on the cards due to the Nucleus of the Spheres (that would put the > cat amongst the pigeons!) otherwise then Psions could start springing up in > Thothia perhaps... > > Both my player and I are very interested in exploring the new Psionics > Handbook in our 3ed campaign. If we turn to new players of the game and > simply state "sorry no Psionics on our world" then we could discourage some > people from campaigning in Mystara. > > As a side note years ago I ran a Spelljammer game based out of my own very > unique view of the Mystaran solar system - I didn't have any idea of the > other planets in the system so I used the Spelljammer rules and created my > own. If the campaign had reached its conclusion then Illithids would have > come to Mystara following the PCs on their trip home from an Illithid held > crystal sphere. I would agree that Illithids are not native to Mystara - > however that doesn't mean there aren't any skulking in shadows somewhere... > > Paul Benfield > > > From: "ramhog" > >> > >> And why is there such an anti-mind flayer attitude when the Beholder > >> (held to almost the same standard) is running around Mystara? > > > > It is a matter of flavor, mostly -- as described in the Illithiad, the > > mind flayer is highly psionic, strongly magic resistant, and inherently > > evil to an extent that even the beholder is not. All of these features > > are tricky to reconcile with the general mood and known peculiarities > > of the Mystara setting. I am not saying that it cannot be done -- just > > that there are some real difficulties that do not exist in the case of > > most other types of monsters. I don't think it is much of a stretch > > to say that the mind flayer is a contender for being the D&D/AD&D > > monster least compatible with Mystara -- but I must confess that I > > actually did manage to introduce one into a Mystara campaign once. > > It was an extradimensional visitor, of course -- in this case very well > > disguised as a beautiful woman. After that encounter a certain male > > fighter became very wary of any woman who seemed to love him > > for his mind.... > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:03:52 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: George Hrabovsky Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MATLAB is a programming language based on matrix manipulations. I have developed a weather system, and a random encounter system, for use in Mathematica; but I have not advertised it since it is not fully complete yet, and Mathematica is expensive. On the other hand, so is MATLAB... George ----- Original Message ----- From: "shawn stanley" To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) > At 07:55 24/03/01 -0800, you wrote: > >My, my..I see that there has been a Mystara Weather System programming > craze lately. :) My congratulations to Mike Harvey as his program is > looking pretty good so far. Thanks to Jacob Skytte's > > kindness to post the TM Weather System, since then I have been able to > work on my own version of a program to run weather in Mystara. Fortunately, > I have been able to get everything to work nicely including visibility, > wind direction, even the optional season trends and what not. If anybody > has MATLAB (or just wishes to see my code for their own conversion)I would > be willing to share my program with them... It REALLY saves a lot of work! :) > > what is MATLAB? > > shawn stanley > http://dnd.starflung.com > > what have you done for me lately ... more to the point what have i done for me > - mightyfew, "i can't wait" > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:38:57 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: Here is my MATLAB Mystara Weather Generator!!! Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Hehe... One thing I forgot to do :) was to roll again for winds each time the precipitation or fog status changes within the same day. Silly me! No biggie, it's just a small detail...On my final version, I will fix that (and when I find the time from school!). :) Lancer ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 21:33:33 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Mischa Gelman Subject: Re: Map of Undersea? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Is there a map of the Undersea realm? I'm assuming this would be This would be in PC3, a very worthwhile product to buy IMO. > Also anyone have any good ideas for undersea adventures? Some ideas I > came up with: PC3 has several suggestions, some of which are covered in your list. Most adventures can be handled just as on the surface, given the amount of politics and "wilderness," as long as you adapt things properly. It makes for a nice change of pace, certainly. - Mischa There is no moral distinction between the sins of the bedroom and the sins of the boardroom; between the crimes of mean streets and the crimes of Wall Street; between someone who sells his or her body and someone who sells his or her soul. - Cal Thomas, 1999 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:48:30 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: OB (was Re: The Mind Flayer) On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 16:35:01 -0600, ramhog wrote: >> > >>> What's an OB? >>> >>I am, >>Jason O Brien ;-) >>aka Mortus. >> I might have guessed... ;) > >I just blew my sanity roll! > >AAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Seeing as how you've sworn your loyalty to Thyatis, I *really* might have guessed that too! ;D - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 22:02:57 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Tome of Spellcraft Hi all, Does anyone out there still have a .doc version of Jim Bobb's Tome of Spellcraft (4th edition) sitting on their hard drives somewhere? An HTML version exists on Shawn's site, but for my purposes, a .doc version would be easier to work with at the moment. Jim sent this fairly large document out in June, 1999 to anyone who was interested, but for some reason I can't seem to locate my copy anywhere on my HD (work or home), or any of my diskettes. I have tried contacting Jim through the various email addresses he is listed as having, but to no avail. If anyone out there does have it, I would be much obliged if they could contact me privately. Thanks in advance, Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 19:07:12 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet In-Reply-To: <003001c0b458$952ab660$40da869f@pbncomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Jason O'Brien wrote: > I like this app, and i too > would like to have it when it's completed. Once it's done I'll make it available in a package for download. But I'd rather not let copies out until it's finished and debugged -- once buggy software gets out on the internet its there forever, and I'll get email about for the next 5-10 years. > do you plan to increase coverage, to include the savage coast or any fan > created areas. Yes. It currently uses a compiled-in table, but in the final version will read data from a text file to build the table. At that point it'll be a simple matter of editing the text file. However I *would* like to extend the default data set to include additional areas... so if you're volunteering to supply data... :-) Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:42:42 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Caroletti Subject: Re: AC 1010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Marco Fossati wrote: > Hi to everyone > My just started campaign is settled in Glantri, just after the end of The > Wrath of The Immortals. > Unluckily I haven't the PWA I.... > May you can tell me the major events of that year? > > Cheers, > Marco Fossati When do you need the info? I don't have much time (it's days since I sent the last mail to the list) but I could do this if you tell me when you need the infos and if nobody else shows up! Iulius Sergius Scaevola Captain of the XXth Cohort Port Lucinius, Thyatis ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:44:45 +1000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Michael Diehm Subject: Re: CM7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed As I said a couple of days ago I am currently researching and designing the lands described in CM7. What happens in CM7? The adventure is triggered by Moorkroft killing the Sylvan Realm's treekeeper while she is travelling to awaken her successor from the magical slumber. The original Tree of Life begins to die as it has no treekeeper. All "offspring" of the mother tree also now begin to die. This does not effect most Alfheim clans because their trees were created directly by Ilsundal and are therefore not linked to the original Tree of Life. However, the Feadiel Tree is a daughter of the original and it begins to die. The Feadiel clan are unsure of the cause and select a group of young clanmembers (the PCs) to investigate. If the PCs successfully complete the module (fairly difficult) they can defeat Moorkroft, free the Sylvan Realm and save the Trees of Life. The population of elves in the Sylvan Realm at the time of Moorkroft's invasion was not as large as 100,000. Less than 10,000 now remain dormant in the forest which is only about half the size of Alfheim in area. Of the remaining elves, only 3,050 are capable of fighting. Cheers _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:07:36 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >If anybody has MATLAB (or just wishes to see my code for their own conversion)I would be willing to share my >program with them... It REALLY saves a lot of work! :) > what's MATLAB, can these apps be run using another system? Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:22:18 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: OB (was Re: The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I might have guessed... ;) > but had to be told eh? ;-) > > > >I just blew my sanity roll! > > > >AAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > Seeing as how you've sworn your loyalty to Thyatis, I *really* might have > guessed that too! ;D > not to worry we'll get you too bwahahahahaha! mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:24:28 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Tome of Spellcraft MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Geoff, I'm fairly sure i have this, it might be on my old PC though, which is not on the net. i will dig it out for you later and post it. Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:26:14 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Yes. It currently uses a compiled-in table, but in the final version > will read data from a text file to build the table. At that point > it'll be a simple matter of editing the text file. However I *would* > like to extend the default data set to include additional areas... > so if you're volunteering to supply data... :-) > what areas would you like data for, let me know and i will see what i can dig up. Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:29:10 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: AC 1010 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When do you need the info? I don't have much time (it's days since I > sent the last mail to the list) > but I could do this if you tell me when you need the infos and if nobody > else shows up! > i too can help but am in a similar boat. i'll see what i can do. Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:23:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Phillip Jones Subject: Re: The Mind Flayer MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well speaking personally, OD&D is the top for me. No other system is complete enough to be able for a person to take a character from beginning to Immortalhood, and play the character as an Immortal too. I do play 2E AD&D, but I find the rules too much like headwork (epsecially when one of the players is a rules lawyer). Then again, it could be because the 2E game I play in is not set in Mystara. ;) Phil (a.k.a Alexander Korrigan: humble student of the Great School of Magic) "I'm not evil, just practical." ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Harvey To: Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] The Mind Flayer > Around here it seems a lot of people dislike D&D in general, and the > others are divided between D&D3 and AD&D.... a lot of people played > OD&D when they were first starting out, but now scoff at it as a > "childrens version" of D&D. > > Let's see, of the gamers I know personally: > > 6 will play anything > 5 prefer Fudge > 4 prefer D&D3 > 3 prefer AD&D > 1 prefers GURPS > > I am currently running OD&D. I think the group mostly tolerates it > because the game is fun and I'm the GM. > > Mike > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:03:02 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Havard=20Faanes?= Subject: Re: CM7 In-Reply-To: <01ab01c0b469$62b70060$547f1c97@fdefferr.tin.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit --- Francesco Defferrari skrev: > Hello, > Besides i think it will be a good idea for the next > almanac to develop the region of the ancient sylvan > realm, because the surronding nations have been very > well developed on the last almanac... A good excuse for this would be if the rainbow bridge connecting the Known World with the Sylvan realm was to be reopened. Currently it is corrupted, filled with monsters and too dangerous to use, but if this was to be changed in say AC1017, then a new era of contact between these two regions could begin. > I think that the story of the sylvan realm has to be > integrated wih the history of the region (well > someone will have noticed that 100.000 or more elves > disappeared or not ?) > (But better if the work is done but someone who has > written about those nations and owns CM7) Personally, I think that the events of CM7 should occurr before AC1000. The Alfheim gaz, describing Alfheim in AC1000 assume that these events already have occurred, so it seems likely that they happened no later than AC 995. Haavard ______________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Organiser sammenkomsten p� http://no.invites.yahoo.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 13:39:33 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dave Keyser Organization: Palmchip Subject: Re: CM7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Havard Faanes wrote: > > Personally, I think that the events of CM7 should > occurr before AC1000. The Alfheim gaz, describing > Alfheim in AC1000 assume that these events already > have occurred, so it seems likely that they happened > no later than AC 995. > > Haavard > > _________ GAZ5 Elves of Alfheim does mention CM7, but it makes the point that the events have not happened yet. The Feadiel clan has not rescued the Sylvan Realm. It can happen anytime after 1000AC, the module makes no other assumptions. Dave Keyser ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 14:41:49 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: DM Subject: Re: AC 1010 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Marco Fossati wrote: <> Go to my Italian site: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 and download the Complete Mystara Chronology in Italian. Unlike Daniel Boese's timeline, this one covers the events from the beginning of times till AC1013 (Joshuan Almanac), so it has everything u need.. it's in the history section, good read! DM Senior Editor of the Mystaran Almanac First Officer of U.S.S. Unicorn "You don't stop playing because you grow old: you grow old because you stop playing!" Visit Marco's Mystara Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967 And Mystara Italian Homepage at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/9940 Join the Mystara Webring at: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/2967/mystring.html Join the Starfleet Academy at: http://gioco.net/startrek (Italian RPG PBEM) ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:39:42 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The program looks pretty good. I do have some comments on the amount of precipitation, though. Basically, they are way too high, compared with RW climactic data. In general, a desert will receive less than 5" of rain per year. Dry mountain areas (US Rockies), will get 10-20", a temperate, seasonal regional will get 30-45". Rain forests get 70-100". This is per year. I ran one month for Ylaruam, and got 145" of rain! The amounts on the trail map are for snowfall, which converts as 10" snow = 1" rain. 1-2" of rain over a day will cause flooding (which just happened last week here in New England). However, the snow to rain conversion, still amounts to Al-Kalim's Desert Garden becoming a reality in Ylaruam. Whoever came up with the % chances for and amounts of precipitation on the Trail Map did not look at the results when applied over an extended time. Here's a site that has some basic RW climactic info: http://www.worldclimate.com/worldclimate/index.htm Maybe some tinkering could be done with the trail map precipitation guidelines so that the annual rainfall is more "realistic". One way would be to link Mystaran cities and regions to RW equivalents (based on longitude and lattitude, plus cultural factors, i.e. Northern Reaches = Scandanavia, etc.), and then work backwards from there to get more accurate precipitation. I think someone else on the list posted something about using RW cities fairly recently? Some of the GAZs might also have info on this. Anyways, I'm willing to help out with this "Weather Project" if anyone else is interested. Maybe the temperatures could be reviewed as well. I didn't look at them that closely yet. Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 08:31:27 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Currently I can think of two sources for this, Blackmoor or Nithia. If Blackmoor were used then I suppose that a concentration of Psions in Glantri would be on the cards due to the Nucleus of the Spheres (that would put the cat amongst the pigeons!) otherwise then Psions could start springing up in Thothia perhaps... << I've had similar ideas concerning Blackmoor, although not by including the NoS. IIRC the green aliens who crashed on Mystara did *not* have psionic powers...however they did do some genetic manipulation/engineering (ala Temple of the Frog). My ideas is that somewhere in the past, these greenies either created a life form with psionics or were able to re-discover that ability hidden in their own genes. So IMC, one of the routes for creating psionic players/NPCs is to make them be descendents of the Froggies. Thothia is a nice idea too...one I hadn't considered before. Sind was also a place I considered letting psionicists come from. Perhaps this is due to some ancient connection with Nithia??? >> Both my player and I are very interested in exploring the new Psionics Handbook in our 3ed campaign. If we turn to new players of the game and simply state "sorry no Psionics on our world" then we could discourage some people from campaigning in Mystara. << As am I. I would love to hear what you come up with. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:26:03 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Geoff Gander Subject: Thanks! Just a quick note to thank everyone who responded to my clarion call for aid on the Tome of Spellcraft question. I now have a lovely copy in my hands, and Phase II can begin... ;-) Thanks everyone! Geoff -- Geoff Gander, BA 97 Cartographer/Game Designer/Government Peon Carnifex Loremaster au998@freenet.carleton.ca : www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Realm/2091 ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:27:40 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: ierendi gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, Quincy Koziol, the onetime owner of Titan Games has the Ierendi Gaz for sale at $25 very fine condition here is his e-mail address if anyone is interested. koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu Mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:01:18 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Calvin wrote: > > I've had similar ideas concerning Blackmoor, although not by including the NoS. IIRC the > green aliens who crashed on Mystara did *not* have psionic powers...however they did do > some genetic manipulation/engineering (ala Temple of the Frog). My ideas is that > somewhere in the past, these greenies either created a life form with psionics or were > able to re-discover that ability hidden in their own genes. So IMC, one of the routes > for creating psionic players/NPCs is to make them be descendents of the Froggies. Interesting idea... with a lot of lovecraftian potential (Mask of Innsmouth?). > Thothia is a nice idea too...one I hadn't considered before. Sind was also a place I > considered letting psionicists come from. Perhaps this is due to some ancient connection > with Nithia??? Entirely possible, considering that the Nithians arrived as far as to the Savage Coast. However, I would rather see the Nithian Empire as heavily magic-based, with offshot cultures, like Thothians, moving to psionics, perhaps due to external influences. -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:32:11 -0300 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: "Vinicius R. de Moraes" Organization: Dream Entertainment & Edutainment Subject: Re: ierendi gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The auction Thib talked about - and gave us the link - has JUSt ended. ierrendi cloed around 10 or 12, can't remember. Please, Jason, don't get mad at me, just helping people. Peace. :) Isn't it a good idea looking at Amazon's used books? Or eBay rules, concerning to old stuff? vini. jason o'brien wrote: > > Hi guys, > Quincy Koziol, the onetime owner of Titan Games has the Ierendi Gaz for sale > at $25 very fine condition > here is his e-mail address if anyone is interested. > koziol@ncsa.uiuc.edu > Mortus. > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:58:09 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Brad Fonseca Subject: The Minrothad Guilds MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've already posted to starflung.dnd.trade but I'm not sure how much = traffic goes through there yet. =20 I'm looking for the Minrothad Guilds. I've tried repeatedly to win it = on eBay, only to be outbid in the dying seconds. Does anyone have a = spare copy or can get a copy for me from a local shop? I will cover all = expenses for shipping and handling, of course. --- Brad:) "It is a pain in the ass waiting around for someone to try to kill you." ---Merlin, son of Corwin, as quoted in Trumps Of Doom ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:19:02 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > I've had similar ideas concerning Blackmoor, although not by including the NoS. IIRC the > green aliens who crashed on Mystara did *not* have psionic powers...however they did do > some genetic manipulation/engineering (ala Temple of the Frog). My ideas is that > somewhere in the past, these greenies either created a life form with psionics or were > able to re-discover that ability hidden in their own genes. So IMC, one of the routes > for creating psionic players/NPCs is to make them be descendents of the Froggies. Interesting idea... with a lot of lovecraftian potential (Mask of Innsmouth?). << Hmm...looks like that's something I need to read ;D. Thanks. Can you give a brief overview? >> > Thothia is a nice idea too...one I hadn't considered before. Sind was also a place I > considered letting psionicists come from. Perhaps this is due to some ancient connection > with Nithia??? Entirely possible, considering that the Nithians arrived as far as to the Savage Coast. However, I would rather see the Nithian Empire as heavily magic-based, with offshot cultures, like Thothians, moving to psionics, perhaps due to external influences. << Yes, that makes sense. This might also explane why some 'Nithian offshoot cultures' actually survived the fall of Nithia. In order to rid themselves of the corrupting magical influences that were ripping through Nithia, these colonies shunned magic and turned to a *new* form of power...one derived from within. Both Thothia and Sind have a sort of *mystic* feel, so that explination could work for both of them. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:48:19 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ramses Ramirez Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello, MATLAB stands for MATrix LABoratory. It is a powerful programming tool (not quite a language since it has no compiler) that is often used in engineering/sciences for mathematical applications. The whole premise of MATLAB is to organize data into matrices which can then be used to solve problems. It is a powerful method, and IMO quite easy to use. The fact that it does not have a compiler, makes things a little easier to run and to compute things in a quick fashion. It is not difficult to learn and if you already know other languages such as C or Fortran, many of the mechanics are similar. I am not quite done with my program yet (though it is mostly completed) but intend to once I get through this tough week in school! :) Lancer >what's MATLAB, can these apps be run using another system? >Mortus. > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Free Mail Address at http://www.StarWarsEmail.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:50:12 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: MATLAB Program Weather System (Was Weather Generation Applet) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thank you. Mortus > > MATLAB stands for MATrix LABoratory. It is a powerful programming tool (not quite a language since it has no compiler) that is often used in engineering/sciences for mathematical applications. The whole premise of MATLAB is to organize data into matrices which can then be used to solve problems. It is a powerful method, and IMO quite easy to use. The fact that it does not have a compiler, makes things a little easier to run and to compute things in a quick fashion. It is not difficult to learn and if you already know other languages such as C or Fortran, many of the mechanics are similar. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:52:08 +0100 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: jason o'brien Subject: Re: ierendi gaz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The auction Thib talked about - and gave us the link - has JUSt ended. > ierrendi cloed around 10 or 12, can't remember. Please, Jason, don't get > mad at me, just helping people. Peace. :) > no problem, if people can get these things cheaper anywhere else thats quite alright. mortus. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:12:46 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John Calvin wrote: > > Hmm...looks like that's something I need to read ;D. Thanks. Can you give a brief > overview? Actually, this is most probably due to me not remembering the original title of the short story, and back-translating from Italian... the correct title is "The Shadow over Innsmouth". However, it is a short story by Lovecraft, which was first published in 1936, and appears in "The Dunwich Horror and Others", published by Arkham House. It involves a backwater town whose population has mixed blood with some evil, antediluvian creatures of the deep sea. The story involves a climax of horrific discoveries, which I won't spoil: you would do best reading the > However, I would rather see the Nithian Empire as > heavily magic-based, with offshot cultures, like Thothians, moving to > psionics, perhaps due to external influences. > > Yes, that makes sense. This might also explane why some 'Nithian offshoot cultures' > actually survived the fall of Nithia. In order to rid themselves of the corrupting > magical influences that were ripping through Nithia, these colonies shunned magic and > turned to a *new* form of power...one derived from within. Both Thothia and Sind have a > sort of *mystic* feel, so that explination could work for both of them. In the end, this could explain why mystics are quite rare... only a few Nithian colonies had renounced magic (some chose to fight the Pharaohs on their ground). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:44:59 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: great opprotunity for rich mystaraphiles MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a great lot of Gaz at ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573103307 enjoy it , i am not rich enough this time Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Calvin To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:31 PM Subject: [MYSTARA] Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) > >> > Currently I can think of two sources for this, Blackmoor or Nithia. If > Blackmoor were used then I suppose that a concentration of Psions in Glantri > would be on the cards due to the Nucleus of the Spheres (that would put the > cat amongst the pigeons!) otherwise then Psions could start springing up in > Thothia perhaps... > << > > I've had similar ideas concerning Blackmoor, although not by including the NoS. IIRC the > green aliens who crashed on Mystara did *not* have psionic powers...however they did do > some genetic manipulation/engineering (ala Temple of the Frog). My ideas is that > somewhere in the past, these greenies either created a life form with psionics or were > able to re-discover that ability hidden in their own genes. So IMC, one of the routes > for creating psionic players/NPCs is to make them be descendents of the Froggies. > > Thothia is a nice idea too...one I hadn't considered before. Sind was also a place I > considered letting psionicists come from. Perhaps this is due to some ancient connection > with Nithia??? > > >> > Both my player and I are very interested in exploring the new Psionics > Handbook in our 3ed campaign. If we turn to new players of the game and > simply state "sorry no Psionics on our world" then we could discourage some > people from campaigning in Mystara. > << > > As am I. I would love to hear what you come up with. > > John > > ===== > Rule #53. > If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, > do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. > > from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:12:34 -0600 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: ramhog Subject: Re: great opprotunity for rich mystaraphiles In-Reply-To: <001401c0b707$2cdfea60$f9b4fea9@duke> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >a great lot of Gaz at ebay >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=573103307 > >enjoy it , i am not rich enough this time > >Thibault Sarlat. Those sure are high prices for a game that "nobody" plays any more, aren't they? ;-) VVH -- ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:47:50 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: SteelAngel Subject: Re: great opprotunity for rich mystaraphiles In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, ramhog wrote: > Those sure are high prices for a game that "nobody" plays any more, > aren't they? ;-) Yep, and the buyer will make a mint selling them individually to the 'nonexistant' players. Ethan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:34:36 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Re: ierendi gaz On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:32:11 -0300, Vinicius R. de Moraes wrote: (snip) > >Isn't it a good idea looking at Amazon's used books? Or eBay rules, >concerning to old stuff? > I'm not sure, but I don't have good experience with it myself. I entered my desire to obtain the Karameikos, Darokin, and Alfheim gazetteers and never heard a peep for most of a year. In truth, I'd forgotten I'd signed up in case they appeared when I did get two of those gazetteers, but it wasn't a problem as Amazon never found them for me... I have all those three gaz now, but it wasn't through anything Amazon did... If you sign up and they find the stuff for you drop me a line though - I'd like to see if somebody got positive results from Amazon's OOP/rare books department. - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 19:17:01 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: ierendi gaz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 05:32:11 -0300, Vinicius R. de Moraes > wrote: > >(snip) > > > >Isn't it a good idea looking at Amazon's used books? Or eBay rules, > >concerning to old stuff? > > > >I'm not sure, but I don't have good experience with it myself. I entered my >desire to obtain the Karameikos, Darokin, and Alfheim gazetteers and never >heard a peep for most of a year. In truth, I'd forgotten I'd signed up in >case they appeared when I did get two of those gazetteers, but it wasn't a >problem as Amazon never found them for me... I have all those three gaz >now, but it wasn't through anything Amazon did... If you sign up and they >find the stuff for you drop me a line though - I'd like to see if somebody >got positive results from Amazon's OOP/rare books department. > > > - The Stalker Exactly the same with me, except that I didn�t found the books elsewhere yet. :( Darkblood _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:25:31 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Federico Kaftal Subject: Munchkin Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 Where does the word "Munchkin" come from? Anybody knows its origins? And what's a concise definition you would give for Munchkin? One that could stay in a dictionary, I mean. Thank you. Federico AltaVista Free email service ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:18:19 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Psionics (was The Mind Flayer) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Actually, this is most probably due to me not remembering the original title of the short story, and back-translating from Italian... the correct title is "The Shadow over Innsmouth". However, it is a short story by Lovecraft, which was first published in 1936, and appears in "The Dunwich Horror and Others", published by Arkham House. It involves a backwater town whose population has mixed blood with some evil, antediluvian creatures of the deep sea. The story involves a climax of horrific discoveries, which I won't spoil: you would do best reading the << Sounds very creepy. ;) I'll have to check it out. >> > However, I would rather see the Nithian Empire as > heavily magic-based, with offshot cultures, like Thothians, moving to > psionics, perhaps due to external influences. > > Yes, that makes sense. This might also explane why some 'Nithian offshoot cultures' > actually survived the fall of Nithia. In order to rid themselves of the corrupting > magical influences that were ripping through Nithia, these colonies shunned magic and > turned to a *new* form of power...one derived from within. Both Thothia and Sind have a > sort of *mystic* feel, so that explination could work for both of them. In the end, this could explain why mystics are quite rare... only a few Nithian colonies had renounced magic (some chose to fight the Pharaohs on their ground). << Which was exactly what the entropics wanted... :D Anyway, I picked up the 3E Psionics Handbook last night...just couldn't resist. It now also occurs to me that Yavdlom seers may be a match for the 3E Seer. Not sure yet, because I'm still reading through the powers. I was also thinking that setting up the Atraughin Clans as psionicists might be interesting. It might be fun to give them telepathic powers...maybe also psychoportive ones. Something that would bring out the flavor of interacting with the spirit world... This might also explain why most other KW nations shun contact with the clans (and why they can remain at such a low tech level)... their powers aren't seen as natural, and most KW people would rather just stay away from them. Anyway, just some thoughts. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:20 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Kevin Powers Subject: Re: ierendi gaz MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. They take waiting lists and can get you anything if you are willing to wait a year or two. I have had very good results with them, though the wait has been substantial. In other concerns, does anyone have a spare B10 Night's Dark Terror or know of someone who is selling one? Kevin > >(snip) > > > > > >Isn't it a good idea looking at Amazon's used books? Or eBay rules, > > >concerning to old stuff? > > > > > > >I'm not sure, but I don't have good experience with it myself. I entered my > >desire to obtain the Karameikos, Darokin, and Alfheim gazetteers and never > >heard a peep for most of a year. In truth, I'd forgotten I'd signed up in > >case they appeared when I did get two of those gazetteers, but it wasn't a > >problem as Amazon never found them for me... I have all those three gaz > >now, but it wasn't through anything Amazon did... If you sign up and they > >find the stuff for you drop me a line though - I'd like to see if somebody > >got positive results from Amazon's OOP/rare books department. > > > > > > - The Stalker > > Exactly the same with me, except that I didn�t found the books elsewhere > yet. :( > > Darkblood > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 09:41:18 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet In-Reply-To: <00a201c0b5a6$64f65e00$0265da18@D56DN901> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dan Eustace wrote: > The amounts on > the trail map are for snowfall, which converts as 10" snow = 1" rain. 1-2" > of rain over a day will cause flooding (which just happened last week here > in New England). Thanks for pointing out the bug... I'll fix it. > Anyways, I'm willing to help out with this "Weather Project" if anyone else > is interested. Maybe the temperatures could be reviewed as well. I didn't > look at them that closely yet. Yes, the temperatures get a little wacky at times. On a "hot year" (with regard to seasonal trends) the Thanegioth can hit 110 and even 115, which seems a bit high -- since that is on the tropic, it must get REALLY hot in the Aryptian Basin of Davania, on the equator! The Northern Reaches also seem rather frigid for only being about 45 deg north. I think I'm inclined to say this is "vikings in a warmer climate"... maybe they are a group who invaded from further north, like the RW Normans? Anyway I do want to tweak things and make them a little more reasonable. Maybe a switch on the generator so you can either get "canonical weather" or "realistic weather"? (Canonical is nice if you want things slightly silly and overdramatized.) And like someone else mentioned, I want to expand the generator to cover more regions, particularly the IoD, Alphatia, and the SC. Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:11:53 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Psionics (with Savage Coast spoilers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anti spoiler space * * * * * * * * * * John Calvin wrote: > > In the end, this could explain why mystics are quite rare... only a few > Nithian colonies had renounced magic (some chose to fight the Pharaohs > on their ground). > > Which was exactly what the entropics wanted... :D Probably so, since the main centre of resistance, the Savage Coast colony, was wiped out as well --and their magical prowess was superior to anything seen on Mystara, since they were the creators of red steel and the legacies! > Anyway, I picked up the 3E Psionics Handbook last night...just couldn't resist. It now > also occurs to me that Yavdlom seers may be a match for the 3E Seer. Not sure yet, > because I'm still reading through the powers. I suppose so. AD&D-wise, I use clairsentient (or telepathic, more rarely) wild talents or psionicists for Yavdlom seers. However, they're not supposed to be PCs, since they mostly have a passive attitude. > I was also thinking that setting up the Atraughin Clans as psionicists might be > interesting. It might be fun to give them telepathic powers...maybe also psychoportive > ones. Something that would bring out the flavor of interacting with the spirit world... Another definitely good idea! Actually, most disciplines would fit (the only exceptions would be metapsionics and psychokinesis, IMO), using powers like "Animal affinity" for totem animals, and selecting powers related to the spirit world, combat, or hunting. I don't see them as especially versed in mind-reading or other telepathic stuff. > This might also explain why most other KW nations shun contact with the clans (and why > they can remain at such a low tech level)... their powers aren't seen as natural, and > most KW people would rather just stay away from them. Uhm, magic isn't natural as well (or more innatural than psionics, depending on your POW). -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:19:57 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Agathokles Subject: Re: Munchkin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Federico Kaftal wrote: > > Where does the word "Munchkin" come from? Anybody knows its origins? I don't know, or don't remember right now, but I think "IHGGOL" is a good website to search for an answer. It is the home of the it.hobby.giochi.gdr newsgroup, and IIRC it had a rather complete guide to the various kinds of players. It is in Italian, obviously. The URL *should* be http://www.treemme.it/ihggol/ but I'm not sure. If I'm wrong, DM will surely correct me :) -- Giampaolo Agosta agathokles@libero.it agosta@fusberta.elet.polimi.it http://digilander.iol.it/agathokles/index.htm ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:48:36 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: John Calvin Subject: Re: Psionics (with Savage Coast spoilers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> > I was also thinking that setting up the Atraughin Clans as psionicists might be > interesting. It might be fun to give them telepathic powers...maybe also psychoportive > ones. Something that would bring out the flavor of interacting with the spirit world... Another definitely good idea! Actually, most disciplines would fit (the only exceptions would be metapsionics and psychokinesis, IMO), using powers like "Animal affinity" for totem animals, and selecting powers related to the spirit world, combat, or hunting. I don't see them as especially versed in mind-reading or other telepathic stuff. << I don't know...I guess it depends on the type of telepathic power. Any powers having to do with dreams I could see them having. I could also see them having empathy type powers as well. I was going to say that I wouldn't give them access to any kind of 'mind control' powers, but thinking about it I'm not so sure now. That might make for an interesting villian...the Atraughin psionicist who lives alon out on the planes, and who will possess you mind if you disterb him. Anyway, right now I'm talking without any reference because I haven't read my 2nd Ed. psionicist handbook for ages, and I haven't even looked at the 3E stuff yet. >> > This might also explain why most other KW nations shun contact with the clans (and why > they can remain at such a low tech level)... their powers aren't seen as natural, and > most KW people would rather just stay away from them. Uhm, magic isn't natural as well (or more innatural than psionics, depending on your POW). << Right. But magic does have a very real presence in the KW, whereas psionics does not. I meant that to a Known Worlder, a psionicist would seem very strange (and perhaps very scary) indeed. Moreso than a mage (or cleric) would at any rate. John ===== Rule #53. If the beautiful princess that I capture says "I'll never marry you! Never, do you hear me, NEVER!!!", I will say "Oh well" and kill her. from "A Guide to Becoming an Evil Overlord" by Peter Anspach __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:57:39 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: The Stalker Subject: Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:20 -0500, Kevin Powers wrote: >Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. They take waiting lists and can >get you anything if you are willing to wait a year or two. I have had >very good results with them, though the wait has been substantial. > Yes, and they accept VISA too. I've never bought anything there, though. My best experience has been through www.cyberdungeon.com , but they don't seem to have a lot of stuff at the moment (it's worth checking out regularly, though!) >In other concerns, does anyone have a spare B10 Night's Dark Terror or >know of someone who is selling one? > Sorry, I'm still not through banging my head against my enchanted icebox for not buying the one my friend sold a few years ago whenever somebody mentions it :( - The Stalker ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:00:11 -0800 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Ricardo Matheus Subject: Re: ierendi gaz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. Do they have e-mail? Maybe a URL? Do they send stuff abroad? Darkblood _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:35:13 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Weather Generation Applet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks for pointing out the bug... I'll fix it. > > > Anyways, I'm willing to help out with this "Weather Project" if anyone else > > is interested. Maybe the temperatures could be reviewed as well. I didn't > > look at them that closely yet. > > Yes, the temperatures get a little wacky at times. On a "hot year" > (with regard to seasonal trends) the Thanegioth can hit 110 and even > 115, which seems a bit high -- since that is on the tropic, it must > get REALLY hot in the Aryptian Basin of Davania, on the equator! Some places DO get that hot or hotter, like Saudia Arabia. But to hit 110 or 115 with Thanegia's humidity is unlikely. The Plain of Fire would probably have those kind of temps. The Northern Reaches also seem rather frigid for only being about 45 deg > north. I think I'm inclined to say this is "vikings in a warmer > climate"... maybe they are a group who invaded from further north, > like the RW Normans? Yeah, 45 deg, is still somewhat temperate in most places, but it still can get cold. Maybe the local currents or water temps have an effect. For instance, Ireland and Britain are further north than New England, but the ocean temps keep it warmer and rainy instead of snowy over in the UK - unless anyone actually in the UK, begs to differ. : ) > Anyway I do want to tweak things and make them a little more > reasonable. Maybe a switch on the generator so you can either get > "canonical weather" or "realistic weather"? (Canonical is nice if you > want things slightly silly and overdramatized.) And like someone else > mentioned, I want to expand the generator to cover more regions, > particularly the IoD, Alphatia, and the SC. > > Mike When I have some time, I'll put together a precipiation chart for the KW and beyond (maybe) and try to use that to base broader weatehr patterns on. I'll have to scour the GAZs, almanacs, and RW climate data first, so don't hold your breathes for this one. Dan ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 04:58:15 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed OOP? Object Oriented Programming?? >From: The Stalker >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:57:39 -0800 > >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:20 -0500, Kevin Powers >wrote: > > >Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. They take waiting lists and can > >get you anything if you are willing to wait a year or two. I have had > >very good results with them, though the wait has been substantial. > > > >Yes, and they accept VISA too. I've never bought anything there, though. My >best experience has been through www.cyberdungeon.com , but they don't seem >to have a lot of stuff at the moment (it's worth checking out regularly, >though!) > > >In other concerns, does anyone have a spare B10 Night's Dark Terror or > >know of someone who is selling one? > > > >Sorry, I'm still not through banging my head against my enchanted icebox >for not buying the one my friend sold a few years ago whenever somebody >mentions it :( > > > - The Stalker > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:17:19 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Dan Eustace Subject: Re: Buying OOP stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OOP? Object Oriented Programming?? No, Out Of Print. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:39:20 +0200 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: thibault sarlat Subject: Re: Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Out Of Print material... Thibault Sarlat. ICQ 16622177. homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr or at clenarius@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Angelo Bertolli To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) > OOP? Object Oriented Programming?? > > >From: The Stalker > >Reply-To: Mystara > >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >Subject: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) > >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:57:39 -0800 > > > >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:20 -0500, Kevin Powers > >wrote: > > > > >Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. They take waiting lists and can > > >get you anything if you are willing to wait a year or two. I have had > > >very good results with them, though the wait has been substantial. > > > > > > >Yes, and they accept VISA too. I've never bought anything there, though. My > >best experience has been through www.cyberdungeon.com , but they don't seem > >to have a lot of stuff at the moment (it's worth checking out regularly, > >though!) > > > > >In other concerns, does anyone have a spare B10 Night's Dark Terror or > > >know of someone who is selling one? > > > > > > >Sorry, I'm still not through banging my head against my enchanted icebox > >for not buying the one my friend sold a few years ago whenever somebody > >mentions it :( > > > > > > - The Stalker > > > >******************************************************************** > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > ******************************************************************** > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:38:43 -0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Angelo Bertolli Subject: Re: Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey, thanks guys... By the way, one thing that intrigued me that went by on this mailing list is talk about Blackmoor. I'm currently creating an adventure about an ancient underground city made entirely of gold. My ideas was that the people who built this city were somehow distantly ancestors of the surface human race, but were able to change shape. The talk about polymars and Blackmoor was very interesting. What resources could I look at about this? Angelo >From: thibault sarlat >Reply-To: Mystara >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 07:39:20 +0200 > >Out Of Print material... > > >Thibault Sarlat. >ICQ 16622177. >homepage http://www.mystara.fr.st >Join me at: thibsylv@club-internet.fr >or at clenarius@hotmail.com >----- Original Message ----- >From: Angelo Bertolli >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:58 AM >Subject: Re: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) > > > > OOP? Object Oriented Programming?? > > > > >From: The Stalker > > >Reply-To: Mystara > > >To: MYSTARA-L@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > >Subject: [MYSTARA] Buying OOP stuff (was: ierendi gaz) > > >Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:57:39 -0800 > > > > > >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:17:20 -0500, Kevin Powers > > > >wrote: > > > > > > >Call up Crazy Egor's in Rochester, NY. They take waiting lists and >can > > > >get you anything if you are willing to wait a year or two. I have >had > > > >very good results with them, though the wait has been substantial. > > > > > > > > > >Yes, and they accept VISA too. I've never bought anything there, >though. >My > > >best experience has been through www.cyberdungeon.com , but they don't >seem > > >to have a lot of stuff at the moment (it's worth checking out >regularly, > > >though!) > > > > > > >In other concerns, does anyone have a spare B10 Night's Dark Terror >or > > > >know of someone who is selling one? > > > > > > > > > >Sorry, I'm still not through banging my head against my enchanted >icebox > > >for not buying the one my friend sold a few years ago whenever somebody > > >mentions it :( > > > > > > > > > - The Stalker > > > > > >******************************************************************** > > >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > ******************************************************************** > > The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp > > The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ > > To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM > > with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > > > >******************************************************************** >The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp >The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ >To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM >with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:06:06 -0500 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: David Knott Subject: Re: Munchkin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Federico Kaftal" > Where does the word "Munchkin" come from? Anybody knows its origins? > And what's a concise definition you would give for Munchkin? One that could stay in a dictionary, I mean. The munchkins were originally a race of little people in "The Wizard of Oz". Somehow they became associated with cheating power gamers who would try to secure every possible advantage for themselves while denying them to DM controlled foes -- and that is the definition of them in nearly all on-line RPG forums, including this one. That term is now sufficiently inflammatory that calling somebody a "munchkin" or even describing his proposed ideas as "munchkin" is a nasty insult sufficient to shut down the possibility of a rational response. For anyone who is tempted to use that word in response to a post to this list -- don't. Instead, mention that the idea you wish to describe as "munchkin" is "overpowered" relative to whatever standard seems appropriate. Overpowered ideas can be scaled down -- but the term "munchkin" is too derogatory to admit any sort of rational response. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:02:37 +0000 Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Mike Harvey Subject: City of Gold? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Angelo wrote: > I'm currently creating an adventure about an ancient > underground city made entirely of gold. My ideas was that the people who > built this city were somehow distantly ancestors of the surface human race, > but were able to change shape. Okay, now I have to ask: Have you discovered some miraculous means to keep your players from looting this city? If so please share it with us, because I'd love to throw in some really opulent scenery without having to worry about its "scrap value." PCs are like army ants, stripping gold and gems from everything they come in contact with... Mike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Harvey gm@dsl-only.net (formerly bing@iccom.com) http://members.dsl-only.net/~bing/ ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 02:16:27 EST Reply-To: Mystara Sender: Mystara From: Master's Pawn Subject: Re: Munchkin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a theory, and only a theory, but might it stem from convention play, where many smaller, younger players tend to display obnoxious, adolescent powergamer behavior in the RPG's they play. This led some creative/frustrated DM or Player to quip "Look here come the munchkins" or "Damn it Gary, I come to one con a year and my RPGA sanctioned event was ruined cause I was sitting at a table of munchkins," etc. Just a theory. ******************************************************************** The Other Worlds Homepage: http://www.wizards.com/dnd/OtherWorlds.asp The Mystara Homepage: http://www.dnd.starflung.com/ To unsubscribe, send email to LISTSERV@ORACLE.WIZARDS.COM with UNSUB MYSTARA-L in the body of the message.