* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Why Do 3e Players Keep Coming To This Board? Started at 04-03-04 05:39 AM by Magespawn Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=213425 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-03-04 05:39 AM Thread Title : Why Do 3e Players Keep Coming To This Board? Are you 3e players so bored with your game already that you have to come over here? :smirk: I mean come on 90 percent of these boards are for 3e but yet people like beavis keep popping up and stating how great 3e is when nothing was mentioned about 3e. Hey if you play 1e or 2e and also 3e and you have something constructive to share or ask "more power to you" but if you just come over here to troll, man you got some serious issues. :looloo: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Serena DarkMyst Date : 04-03-04 08:00 AM Lets see.....why? Because we can. Not a day goes by when I see someone going to troll one of the various boards dedicated to a 3.5(3E) product in order to reminisce about the so called good old days. Turnabout is fair play pals. On a lighter note...IMHO I am glad of the way the new rules work, and if playing by older versions of the rules suits you and your players, then great! More power to you! The one thing I will say for the older editions is that there is already a wealth of info, much of which hasnt been converted to 3rd yet for one reason or another. This board could be a great source for us players of 3rd to find out some details on what we would like to convert...say we were trying to get a mind flayer converted(Already published, but good example) and we wanted to know exactly how their ability to latch on to the heads of their victims and suck the brains right out worked. This would be the place to go and ask the guys who use the books with the critter already in it. Instead we see a bunch of people arguing over what rules set is best, neither wanting to comprimise, or just let the situation be, agreeing that somne people prefer different editions. This I believe is counterproductive to nearly anything that is attempted to be accomplished. I see a great oppurtunity to be of value to eachother here....maybe one day the potential will be realized.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : beavis123 Date : 04-03-04 08:08 AM Thread Title : Let's hear it Like I said, and I am not trolling, I would like to hear about current games or systems from out of print being played. I recently joined an Alternity campaign and will be glad to share my experience with others. Let's hear about current 1e and 2e games being played. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Capn Charlie Date : 04-03-04 09:15 AM I have never violated the sanctity of the OOP boards until now, although I do lurk here occasionally for good reads. However I do agree, it does seem that many of the players of older editions are more fans of older editions and less players. I can not remember one time that a 2e story has not been set "back in the good old days". However, it is only natural for the pretense of gaming as a purely entertainment pursuit wears thin and the real reason, reinforcing community, begins to show through. I for one spend more time "gaming" anymore just talking with friends that have only the time to show up for the "regular" game anymore. We do have more of what some might call "lives" now. Now, I am first to admit that I jumped onboard 3e like a drowning man on a life preserver. Open source is the way of the future, and the greatest source of innovation, and the d20 system comes as close to this as I believe any pnp game system can. Also it is a natural evolutin of my favorite RPG system to date, Alternity. I see d20 as 2E Alternity. However, I also must chime in for old horn boy here, the big boards areas are indeed rife with a deluge of posters playing grognard and naysaying the system at seemingly every turn. There is just so much of 3e that I would port back to 2e if I ever DMed a game of it again. BUt that could likely be more from the fact that the industry of RPGs has moved forward, and the D20 system is just the current forum for introducing natural improvements, not that the older systems are inherently flawed. I see the evolution of the game to the speedy race to the higher levels it is today to be more due to the fact that the bulk of society is beginning to become less and less patient, and wanting instant gratification, than some inundation of "video gamers" like many old school players think. IF you have ever tried to level up skills on most of the MMORPGs, then you know how much work, patience, and general skill are required. As automation also becomes more and more widespread humans get lazier. The constant book releases that so many decry as pure commercialism, or catering to the "patch syndrome" of VGamers, I think it is a reflection of the fact that humans are getting more and more lazy. A good DM is rare anymore, and released content disseminated from some that are generally above average is in fairly high demand. And then there is the fact that automating more to cater to existing laziness just breeds even more, a vicious, almost In the Year 2525 cycle. However, for good or ill, this is the environment. Surely you must admit that the d20 system is more adaptable than the older ones? And it is at least streamlined and easier in the core concepts. I will never say that the older systems are not great. To do so would be to lie, or be a damn fool. I prefer to do neither. However, taken as they are, the systems of yesteryear seem to be bulky, illogical and outdated. Perhaps it is just because none of the newere folk have developed content for them and they are just being outshone by new and incredible designers, or perhaps they are really inferior. I just know that I do indeed love D20, and I will be heavily modifying and using it for the time being. However, I will always acknowledge the brilliance of what came before. And please, do keep a mind to the fact that most of the posters that are coming here to jeerat you are indeed kids. When you started playing the game as a kid, didn't you try to "enlighten" the others playing pretend, checkers, or hungry hungry hippos? No matter how two dimensional, simplistic, and unrefined chess may be to modern games, it is still an awesome game. JUst don't be too harsh with the young ones. YOu all started somewhere as well. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Incenjucar Date : 04-03-04 02:44 PM 1) Many of the people playing 3e had played 2e, 1e, and all the way back to Chainmail in some cases. It's not like ONLY new people play 3e. Some play more than one edition, even. My 2e library covers two shelves, while my 3e library only covers 3/4 of one. 2) If you have a problem with people who play 3e liking or being curious about 2.5e, 2e and other past editions, you have ISSUES. 3) If you have a problem with people not hiding the existance of 3e from you, you have ISSUES. 4) Anyone who cannot at all appreciate 2e's more delicious flavor, even though they prefer 3e mechanics, has ISSUES. 5) Get over it. Unless the posters aren't actually talking about out of print material, they have every right to post here as you do. WotC did not create this board to keep 3e gamers away from older edition gamers, it created it to preserve the wonderful font of information that past editions provides, and to make sure that there's still a place where out of print information isn't going to get a dozen queries of "What's THACO?". 6) It's a damn good thing that the editions blend. While all of the new monsters are written in 3e, all of the old ones had most of their information locked away in the past. Nobody can help the 3e folk flesh out the natures of beholders, drow, illithids, beholders, sahuagin, the planes, campaign setting history, etc etc etc like the older edition users can. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-03-04 03:48 PM Serena DarkMyst Lets see.....why? Because we can. Not a day goes by when I see someone going to troll one of the various boards dedicated to a 3.5(3E) product in order to reminisce about the so called good old days. Turnabout is fair play pals. Ok I see because some trolls go to 3e boards and bother you guys, you guys are going to come over here and post 3e stuff and bother us. Makes sense. :rolleyes: Wouldn't it make more sense to address these persons and inform them that they're on the wrong board? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-03-04 05:00 PM Incenjucar 1) Many of the people playing 3e had played 2e, 1e, and all the way back to Chainmail in some cases. It's not like ONLY new people play 3e. Some play more than one edition, even. My 2e library covers two shelves, while my 3e library only covers 3/4 of one. Big Fat Hairy Deal. :bored: I've got about 90 percent of everthing sold for D&D, 1e, 2e, 2.5 so what does how much stuff you own have to do with this board? You don't see me going over to 3e and bothering them! 2) If you have a problem with people who play 3e liking or being curious about 2.5e, 2e and other past editions, you have ISSUES. Evidently you have a retention problem, read my quote. Hey if you play 1e or 2e and also 3e and you have something constructive to share or ask "more power to you" 3) If you have a problem with people not hiding the existance of 3e from you, you have ISSUES. Who's hiding?I went out and bought 3e players/dm's books when they first came out. This is a OUT OF PRINT BOARD evidently you can not comprehend what you read. If I was interested with 3e I would be going to those boards. 4) Anyone who cannot at all appreciate 2e's more delicious flavor, even though they prefer 3e mechanics, has ISSUES. I do like 2e that's why I'm on this board "Duh". If I want 3e info I'll go to those boards. 5) Get over it. Unless the posters aren't actually talking about out of print material, they have every right to post here as you do. WotC did not create this board to keep 3e gamers away from older edition gamers, it created it to preserve the wonderful font of information that past editions provides, and to make sure that there's still a place where out of print information isn't going to get a dozen queries of "What's THACO?". "Get over it" I was posting for the people who do come over here and try to post the virtues of 3e! "WotC did not create this board to keep 3e gamers away from older edition gamers, it created it to preserve the wonderful font of information that past editions provides" that was so beautiful I just want to cry :weep: and by the way Einstein this 1 board is used for market research purposes, I don't know what fantasy world you live in. 6) It's a damn good thing that the editions blend. While all of the new monsters are written in 3e, all of the old ones had most of their information locked away in the past. Nobody can help the 3e folk flesh out the natures of beholders, drow, illithids, beholders, sahuagin, the planes, campaign setting history, etc etc etc like the older edition users can. It's a damn good thing that the editions blend? What are you talking about did your mom drop you on your head as a child? 3e does not blend with D&D, 1e or 2e! Have you even read any of the books? I know I have. From what I read from your post is a bunch of worthless typing. Evidently YOU HAVE ISSUES, it's called reading and comprehending. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-03-04 05:20 PM Capn Charlie You make sense on alot of points and I agree with you on some of them. I don't have a problem with 3e or the people who choose to play it. If someone who comes to this board to ask a question on how to convert something over from 3e to older editions, I have no problems with, if there is something in 3e that does not fully explain say for instance a creature, I have no problems with helping them out with that. But my problem is with the people who come over here to try to start a flame war. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-03-04 08:20 PM One thing I want to clear up is I did not say 3e was worthless. I don't like it, that's my opinion. I'm addressing those persons who want to argue over what's better and come to this board to do it. Some D&D players don't like AD&D, others don't like 2e etc... that's their opinions, I can respect that, not a problem. If you aren't trying to start a flame war then you shouldn't take offense to this thread, but if you are o well to bad. :rolleyes: By the way beavis this is all I see of your posts. beavis123 04-03-04 05:08 AM This person is on your Ignore List. :smirk: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : Stonebeard Date : 04-03-04 09:01 PM I think if you look over the numerous flames on this board you will find a common theme. At some point someone slams someone elses preferred version of D&D, wether its 1e 2e 3e or whatever else and thats what starts the flaming. If you don't want to read flamage don't put down someone elses preferred version of D&D. Since no one can really know who prefers what try this, don't slam any version of D&D. If haven't noticed we're all rather sensitive on this issue so if we truely don't want to see flamage lets stop slamming each other. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-04-04 12:45 AM Stonebeard the one thing I don't agree with is the 3e players (not all) who come to this board and stick there nose in threads and make comments that do not have anything to do with earlier editions or the subject matter. This 1 board is now bombarded with 3e players, why do they feel like they have anything useful to add, if they aren't playing the games. There are plenty of other boards that cover almost all aspects of their edition, why come here? Personally I think that their game is so much like a video game that many of them lose interest in it quickly, everything is given to them so early in the game that it is no challenge, so they're frustrated and come over here to stir up trouble(not all). *I'm not talking about players who have played pre 3e in the past or currently, or players who play a hybrid form of all the editions. I'm talking about the ones who only play 3e and don't have a clue about how the other systems work.* If you read earlier post a lot of the time 3e players (not all) just type how much their game is an improvement over earlier games and then bash us for not wanting to play 3e. This is not a 3e board, if they don't like what's being said go to another board! I would bet if someone from an pre 3e went to their boards and did the same thing they wouldn't like it either. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : Algolei Date : 04-04-04 09:36 AM Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst Lets see.....why? Because we can. Not a day goes by when I see someone going to troll one of the various boards dedicated to a 3.5(3E) product in order to reminisce about the so called good old days. Who does that? And why? That's crazy. Those people shouldn't do that. What's wrong with them? Maybe they're lost. Originally posted by Capn Charlie I see the evolution of the game to the speedy race to the higher levels it is today to be more due to the fact that the bulk of society is beginning to become less and less patient, and wanting instant gratification, than some inundation of "video gamers" like many old school players think. I see those as the same thing. Surely you must admit that the d20 system is more adaptable than the older ones? And it is at least streamlined and easier in the core concepts. I will never say that the older systems are not great. To do so would be to lie, or be a damn fool. I prefer to do neither. Huh? How is a limited system more adaptable than an expansive one? I'm not limited by having to use a d20 for everything; I could use 3d6, 2d10, d100, etc. to make my skill checks. Or I could not even bother with a skill check; I could roll an attribute check (a 1E/2E attribute check, not a 3E attribute check) with any of those methods I mentioned. Whatever makes sense for the situation. Not only that, but I might adjudicate some low rolls to be better than high rolls. However, taken as they are, the systems of yesteryear seem to be bulky, illogical and outdated. Bulky? I guess, in the way a full toolbox might seem bulky. Illogical? I actually consider it to be a product of taking the complex and reducing it to simple form for ease of use. Outdated? Only because someone tried to replace it with something else. I just know that I do indeed love D20, and I will be heavily modifying and using it for the time being. That's cool. :) But not here, right? JUst don't be too harsh with the young ones. YOu all started somewhere as well. I hate the young, they're so childish. :P I must slay them to prevent them from competing with me. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Algolei Date : 04-04-04 09:40 AM Originally posted by Magespawn Big Fat Hairy Deal. Evidently YOU HAVE ISSUES.... Hey! :sad: Don't yell at Incenjucar! He's (or she's?) a nice...uh, member! :cool: Person! Nice person! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : Serena DarkMyst Date : 04-04-04 02:52 PM You know what....this is ridiculous.....I simply stated fact....and then went on to say how these boards could be fun for all....and then got berated for it...sheesh. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-04-04 02:57 PM Algolei I hate the young, they're so childish. I must slay them to prevent them from competing with me. :rofl::rofl::rofl: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 16] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-04-04 03:24 PM Algolei Hey! Don't yell at Incenjucar! He's (or she's?) a nice...uh, member! Person! Nice person! Your right, I'm sorry:weep:,from now on I'll will be nice, but the voices they tell me to type bad things to moronic people. I will change my wicked wicked ways. :devil: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 17] Author : Stonebeard Date : 04-04-04 04:32 PM Agreed, but as soon as this happens retaliation occurs and everything breaks down to complate chaos the original purpose of the thread is lost and its just a great big waste of time for everyone. Do 3e people with no clue about previous have a need to post here no? Does it help to fan the flames? No, its just feeds the fire. We need to learn how to post here without bashing each other's preferred version of D&D and learn how to be tolerant when someone does. Obviously there's no real way to know if this is being done. This reply is not just for you Magespawn but to everyone. If the 3e camp won't do their part to keep the peace then certainly its not up to us old-timers to bend over backwards to keep the peace either. As you say we have little enough representation here as it is. And even less appreciation of all the work that went into the last 30 years of earning the awesome reputation for D&D that interested WoTC to buy the rights in the first place. Originally posted by Magespawn Stonebeard the one thing I don't agree with is the 3e players (not all) who come to this board and stick there nose in threads and make comments that do not have anything to do with earlier editions or the subject matter. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 18] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-04-04 04:48 PM Your right Stonebeard. :tiphat: I think one thing that would help is if the moderators did their job and watched this board. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 19] Author : Tenzhi Date : 04-05-04 12:22 AM Originally posted by Magespawn This is not a 3e board Technically it is, as 3E is now out of print. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 20] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-05-04 01:31 AM Tenzhi Technically it is, as 3E is now out of print. Wow, as for as I knew(talking with 3e and 3.5 players) 3e was still compatible with all the new stuff coming out, I didn't realize that it isn't. That's funny. :rofl: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 21] Author : Algolei Date : 04-05-04 01:37 AM Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst You know what....this is ridiculous.....I simply stated fact....and then went on to say how these boards could be fun for all....and then got berated for it...sheesh. Hey now, wait just a second...while I get my dictionary. ...berated.... ...berated...no, starts with a "b" not a "d".... Yeah, here we go...benzol...bereaved...Berber...ah, berated! "Harshly scolded." Oh, you did not get berated. You just got called on the "turnabout is fair play" comment, because it's not fair at all. I think everyone agrees, neither edition's board(s) should be trolled by miserable other-edition-loving posterboys. Er, or girls. Postergirls. Doesn't mean we can't all get along. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 22] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-05-04 01:46 AM Algolei Hey now, wait just a second...while I get my dictionary. ...berated.... ...berated...no, starts with a "b" not a "d".... Yeah, here we go...benzol...bereaved...Berber...ah, berated! "Harshly scolded.". :heehee, now that's what makes this board fun, someone with a sense of humour. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 23] Author : Magespawn Date : 04-05-04 01:55 AM :censored::censored:button got stuck, sorry. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 24] Author : Algolei Date : 04-05-04 02:09 AM Originally posted by Magespawn :censored::censored:button got stuck, sorry. I saw that, it was weird! Or at least I saw something! I read down to the bottom of the thread, then when I was reading the very last post, a new post popped into existence! Freaked me out! Just suddenly, boink, another post! AFTER I had read down to the bottom of the thread! Freaky deaky weird! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 25] Author : Tenzhi Date : 04-05-04 02:10 AM Originally posted by Magespawn Wow, as for as I knew(talking with 3e and 3.5 players) 3e was still compatible with all the new stuff coming out, I didn't realize that it isn't. Some say it is, some say it isn't. Personally, I find much of my 2nd Ed stuff can be used with 3.xE with a little work (and when I was running 2nd Ed I used 1st Ed and Basic stuff on the fly). It takes a lot less work to make a 3E write-up work with a 3.5 write-up, but some conversion is still necessary (I'd be comfortable with using it on the fly, but many others are way too rules-dependant to do such a thing). In any case... technically 3E books are no longer being printed, so technically it is "Out of Print" ;) And, to reply to someone's "Bulky Toolbox" comment: A bulky toolbox is alright, but I prefer a Sonic Screwdriver - with simple modifications it can do everything that the tools in the bulky toolbox can do and it fits comfortably in your pocket. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 26] Author : Drexlorn Date : 04-05-04 02:28 AM Originally posted by Magespawn Your right Stonebeard. :tiphat: I think one thing that would help is if the moderators did their job and watched this board. Well, as I can see, since the last time I brought WizoJedi here(first appearance of the mod), there was no change. The board is still unmoderated. Do you want to see good OOP AD&D boards Magespawn ? Go there and you won't be upset anymore by 3e trolls. Dragonsfoot: http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/index.php Grognard's tavern: http://grognardstavern.proboards29.com/ Doomsday: http://doomsdaygames.proboards3.com/index.cgi These are REAL oop AD&D forums who REALLY moderate their forums. You got to learn, Wotc doesn't care anymore for old schoolers. :( And you'll never make people like beavis stop their behavior. Even if you try to bang their head. :banghead: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 27] Author : Tenzhi Date : 04-05-04 02:39 AM Yeah - I haven't seen much of the Dragonsfoot forums, but they were certainly much more receptive to my idea of rewriting 3.xE so that it was more like previous editions than even the Homebrew boards around here were. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 28] Author : Incenjucar Date : 04-05-04 03:16 PM Originally posted by Magespawn Big Fat Hairy Deal. :bored: I've got about 90 percent of everthing sold for D&D, 1e, 2e, 2.5 so what does how much stuff you own have to do with this board? You don't see me going over to 3e and bothering them! The point was, ye olde paranoid elitist supreme, that I have a rather large chunk of the books, many of which I still use. There are posters who have books from every edition, whom play ALL of those editions to this day. Making blanket statements like "We don't want any 3e players here!" is childish and boorish. Evidently you have a retention problem, read my quote. Who's hiding?I went out and bought 3e players/dm's books when they first came out. Do you honestly think your quote is the only one I was responding to? This is a OUT OF PRINT BOARD evidently you can not comprehend what you read. If I was interested with 3e I would be going to those boards. Hint hint: I haven't started an off-topic thread in the entire history of this board. I've responded, a few times, to threads regarding out of print material, because, GASP, I have some of it, and have used some of it. I have responded to this flame because I like to dance. I do like 2e that's why I'm on this board "Duh". If I want 3e info I'll go to those boards. Do you honestly think this was in reference to people who play 2e? Who has the reading problem? "Get over it" I was posting for the people who do come over here and try to post the virtues of 3e! Good for you, you know how to whine. How is "Get out of my sandbox!" on topic for this board? That's an outDATED mentality, not an out of print one. "WotC did not create this board to keep 3e gamers away from older edition gamers, it created it to preserve the wonderful font of information that past editions provides" that was so beautiful I just want to cry :weep: and by the way Einstein this 1 board is used for market research purposes, I don't know what fantasy world you live in. Right. So you responded to this solely to make a pointless jab. Have you read the CoC this century? It's a damn good thing that the editions blend? What are you talking about did your mom drop you on your head as a child? Right. Guess you haven't read it. 3e does not blend with D&D, 1e or 2e! Have you even read any of the books? I know I have. From what I read from your post is a bunch of worthless typing. Bull. I use 2e materials constantly, in my own work and on discussions in the main boards. Planescape material in particular is massively referenced, since the MotP has so little flavor text. The monster books are rather often used as well. All of the editions blend. Sure, the MECHANICS don't transfer all too easily, but that's only a part of the game. Flavor information is rather easy to port. Hell, I've been using Of Ships and the Sea lately, and I never had a use for it while playing 2e. Evidently YOU HAVE ISSUES, it's called reading and comprehending. Deep breath, dude. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 29] Author : Serena DarkMyst Date : 04-05-04 04:45 PM Well....I have been fairly decent until now. The turnabout is fair play thing still holds true....You have your few irritant wastes of cyberspace who find it necessary to come to a 3E board and go on and on about the good old days. And we have our few embarassments who come here to waste your time with the praises of 3E. I never said this was ok...it's just fair. This whole thread was inflammatory in the first place, even to the title.....as if the players of third edition D&D are not welcome here. News flash for you guys....I have never posted a negative comment here about previous editions, or the people who play them. Nor have I ever come here to sing the praises of mine. As a personal opinion, I have played many years of 2nd AD&D, but then I reluctantly moved on to 3E.....and woohoo...guess what.....I found that it is better for my gaming tastes...You dont find me shoving that down your throats every two darn minutes... So.....until I have actually have done something against the CoC that warrants being escorted off this board.....I think I am going to remain....and do as I have always done...read the posts, laugh at the ridiculous stuff....and enjoy the flavor of the past editions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 30] Author : WizO_Paradox Date : 04-05-04 11:43 PM So.. if you feel this board is "unmoderated" when it isn't, I guess I can assign a few more WizOs to watch it. Of course, I don't want any complaints that the mods are too strict once they get here. I guess while I'm here, I'll close this flame war. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:21 AM.