* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Second Edition Multiclassing Help Started at 04-25-04 11:13 AM by Curious about Dark Sun Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=227629 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Curious about Dark Sun Date : 04-25-04 11:13 AM Thread Title : Second Edition Multiclassing Help Hi, I am new to D&D in any incarnation and want to get started in a campaign. My books just arrived in the mail. I have to admit that I am a little confused about multiclassing. 1.) Can a fighter/mage wear armor? 2.) What is the difference between a multi-class warrior, multi-class wizard, etc.? Is a fighter/mage a multi-class warrior or a multi-class wizard or both?:confused: Thanks! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Wyrmbane Date : 04-25-04 01:44 PM 1) From 2ed PHB, pg 45: "A multi-classed wizard can freely combine the powers of the wizard with any other class allowed, although the wearing of armor is restricted. Elves wearing elven chain can cast spells in armor, as magic is part of the nature of elves." 2) A multiclass Warrior is a fighter-something, and a multiclass Wizard is a Mage-something. A fighter-mage is both. You might want to note that a fighter-mage sounds cool, but it's not that cool (unless you're playing an Elven Bladesinger). You might be better off playing a straight fighter or a mage-cleric (specialty priest of Thoth?). A mage-thief isn't bad either, but multiclassing a fighter usually isn't all that good (with the exception of some kits). You lose specialization (and if you're using mastery, this is very significant), you really lose out on HP, and you limit your self on weapons and armor availible (if it isn't one, it's the other usually). This is just all my opinion, yours may vary. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Hiryu Date : 04-25-04 02:50 PM Since you are just starting, my advice to you would be to keep things as simple as possible. That includes not allowing multiclassing and maybe proficiencies for the time being. Just use the basics for a few sessions to get a hang of the system, and once you feel comfortable, start introducing the rest of the rules as you see fit. Once you find the 2ed ruleset you like, you can let your players remake their characters under -your- rules. Remember that 2ed is a modular game and most of the stuff optional. Now, as for your questions, a Fighter/Mage can certainly wear armor, but one important thing to remember is that mixed classes earn the powers of each class, but also the restrictions and penalizations of each. So, if one one the restrictions on the wizard is that they can't cast spells while wearing armor, then a Fighter/Mage will also have this restriction. The difference between a multiclass Fighter-something and a multiclass Mage-something is simply the classes mix involved. Multiclassing means mixing different classes into a single character. For instance, a Fighter/Thief would be a multiclass fighter and a multiclass thief. Same goes for Fighter/Mage, Fighter/Priest and all other combinations you may think of. As a DM, you may also create your own multiclassing mixes and make them available for characters. You just need to mix up to a maximum of 3 classes following a simple rule: No multiclassing mix may include more than one class from a single group. The class grups are: Warriors: Fighter Paladin Ranger Wizard: Mage Illusionist Other/Specialist Priest: Cleric Druid Other/Specialty Priest Rogue: Thief Bard So, you could come up with a Ranger/Illusionist, but not a Ranger/Fighter. Hope this helped. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : Falstaff the Fighter Date : 04-26-04 10:50 AM Also, some multiclassing combinations are restricted to certain demihuman races only, but the book will tell you all of this (Its on a chart.). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Sildatorak Date : 04-26-04 02:15 PM Additionally, dual-classing is very different from multiclassing, and it's only available to humans. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Master of Keys Date : 04-26-04 09:28 PM So, you could come up with a Ranger/Illusionist I'm pretty sure that you could never come up with a ranger/illusionist character, cool though it may be. You can't multiclass a specialist wizard, unless your a gnome, and gnomes can't be rangers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : Curious about Dark Sun Date : 04-26-04 10:07 PM Originally posted by Master of Keys I'm pretty sure that you could never come up with a ranger/illusionist character, cool though it may be. You can't multiclass a specialist wizard, unless your a gnome, and gnomes can't be rangers. If I understand the rules correctly, would it possible to have a human dual-class ranger/illusionist (provided the character had the right stats)? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Master of Keys Date : 04-26-04 10:39 PM That would be entirely possible. Rolling up the stats could be tough. You'd need 15's in Strength and Wis and 17's in Dex and Intelligence if you go from Ranger to Illusionist or a 15 in Int and 17's in Str, Dex, Wis if going the other way. Nigh impossible to get. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:20 AM.