* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : Orcs of Thar too silly! Started at 05-27-04 09:33 AM by Spellweaver Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=247496 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : Spellweaver Date : 05-27-04 09:33 AM Thread Title : Orcs of Thar too silly! I never liked Gaz 10, the Orcs of Thar. It's just too silly. I can see that it can provide a lot of fun if you enjoy playing humanoid races but it hasn't contributed anything at all to my campaign in which the humanoids are the baddies. First of all, I cannot suspend my disbelief when I read about Atruaghin style Indian orcs, Sindi Ogres, Ethengar style hobgoblins and Ylari style gnolls. Too many cultures mixed in one place. And in my humble opinion the humanoids should develop their OWN culture. Sure enough, the gaz mentions a few cool details about their tribal life and faiths and rituals but IMO it is drowned in all the silly illustrations and stupid attempts (no offence Bruce!) at creating recognition, such as Trollhattan (Manhattan :rolleyes: ) Second of all, what's up with Thar?? He is supposed to be this awesome orc warrior who united the Broken Lands and made civilizations all around tremble in fear. Instead he is under the heavy influence of Prince Jaggar (who's supposed to be Lawful even though he uses these dirty tricks), he could be under the control of Morphail as well, being a nosferatu, and finally he is a slave to his own sword the minute he gets a scratch!! I would like to see a really cool new write-up of Thar and his rule over the Broken Lands. One that portrays the bloodthirsty humanoids as their own culture - savage, dark, chaotic. I would like to see a write-up of the Legion's hordes of cruel warriors, their dreaded warmachines and their proud wolfriders. I would like to see Thar as the menace to the Known World that he ought to be. One that requires ever watching unless his chaotic armies spill over into the civilized world. Before I take on the challenge myself, has anyone ever done anything similar in their campaigns? :-) Jesper -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Goldrak Date : 05-27-04 10:10 AM Gaz 10 is one of my favorites (after the shadow elves one). I simply can't see how it can be considered silly. It has helped to carve and make the broken lands a beliveble place and not just a "local with lots of humanoids". As for a mixture of styles blame the Known World. The "cultures" depicted there represent the "cultures" from where that humanoids came, so blame the creator's of the Known World for putting such a variety of cultures in a space of the size of Europe... Thar is a major villan and a powerful one in my campaings. Being a nosferatu only makes him more threatning and powerful. As i see him is as a ruthless, bloody and inteligent leader and not submissed to any mortal. Perhaps he is on his journey to immortality? ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : rogueattorney Date : 05-27-04 11:24 AM I've used Orcs of Thar more than any of the other Gaz's combined. It cannot be beat for making NPC monsters to put a little fear into the hears of the PC's. The detail on the rituals and religions is great. Sure the puns get pretty grating (King Kol? Puh-lease!) but I can leave most of that out. I also really like the Oenkmar setting. R.A. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : katana_one Date : 05-27-04 12:18 PM The DM's historical synopsis of the humanoid clans is very useful to me. I also like the descriptions of the different sub-species of each humanoid race. As a campaign background tool it is invaluable. It's only silly when you run a humanoid campaign as depicted. Disregard the parts you don't like, use what you do. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Lost Woodrake Date : 05-30-04 02:54 AM I used to consider it silly too - although I liked it usually. But then I reread the Oenkmar stuff - and that's serious, and truly inspiring. Work it out with Shadow Elves, and a dark Azcan past - Humanoids never seemed so dramatic. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 09:22 AM.