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Thread : Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs
Started at 01-10-07 03:56 PM by exorb
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[Post 1]
Author : exorb
Date : 01-10-07 03:56 PM
Thread Title : Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Public petition for WofC to re-publish, re-sell original core books, and add system reference documents for all past editions. Basic D&D/ AD&D 1st and 2nd EDs (all please sign in if in favor)



This is a petition presented by the public to WofC for serious evaluation and consideration.

Its intent is to show that most of the older material is worthy of publication, and still has value to many people around the world.  Its purpose is to not ignore the past but to embrace it.  These books are disappearing very fast and so are the roots of D&D. 

This is not a topic to debate what edition’s rules are better and those that post such opinions should be deleted by the forum admin from this topic.

I (the person posting and initiating this petition) is not affiliated with any RPG company, RPG gaming system, RPG organization, RPG website, or RPG publisher of any kind.  I’m just a merely a D&D player nothing more.


Some general statements:
There is no need to post the history Dungeons & Dragons as it is archived all over the internet as well as on this site. Dungeons & Dragons has been the sole #1 and best selling RPG of all time. Dungeons & Dragons has always been the #1 choice of role playing gamers since its creation. Dungeons & Dragons is a game like no other it has tradition, and it has been a part of many people’s lives all over the world.  Traditionally all versions and editions of the game were published, and even the older versions and editions always remained on the market.  New content was provided for all the editions as time traveled on.  If not by “the owners of” D&D themselves it was done via 3rd party.  The game has prospered over time because of that.  All books were drawn upon by it’s gamers to add depth, make their own favorable adjustments, and to simply play the original and or basic versions to enjoy and re-visit the past.  There was not a single version of D&D that was not cherished by many.  And it remains that way today.  

The current partition and division of gamers that used to share the same hobby:
Go to any message board and mention the trademark D&D and a scuffle will break out over what rules are better.  D&D’s past has always had this with new edition releases, but the debates never got hostile nor did they ever amount to much. As all rules are a part of D&D and all rules were optional! Something like this would re-unite the entire D&D community present and past.

Thanks to WotC:
Some great strides have been made and achieved by WotC even though they may not yet be apparent to some.  The took the ball and ran with it.  It’s not easy.  Especially when the world was waiting and wanting a 2000 edition  to come out.  The new edition  was a success and is enjoyed by millions today.  WotC has done a fantastic job in my opinion.  I am glad they are running with the ball and keeping D&D alive.  They have done some incredible things like “open gaming” and releasing the OGL and the SRDs for 3ed.  Great job on the D20 system, etc..  An A for effort should be awarded for this idea alone. Even though all has not gone as “planned” the sky is the limit for this kind of program. Dungeons &Dragons will become and is becoming better game for it.  


What might not have gone as “planed” with the Open Gaming Idea:
RPG communities, companies, alliances, lawyers, and past lovers of the “older” D&D rules have dissected, disjointed, loop holed, and re-crafted the OGL and it’s link with the SDRs.  In fact competitors emerged from the very system that created them.   I’m sure this was not the intent of WofC.  

What is the target market (where are all these people you are claiming to be in demand of the older products)?
Basically they are in limbo. 
Publishers and gamers alike are still looking for a home.  They wish there was a “legitimate” and “perfectly legal way” with out loopholes or bending and breaking copywriting laws to publish, read or use material and rules of D&D’s past.  Many can’t decide to go to humor, revised rules of the 3ED D20, or to a game that does not exist! The satisfaction of this “old rulebook type gamer” will not be met by any of those options. New material is needed, by someone even if it is a 3rd party to keep the game alive.

What can be changed to reverse this? (opinion)
Taking it to the next level.  Re-printing and publishing of all the old rule sets.  Adding SRDs for all the old rule sets.  The competition will not survive.  Re-creations of prior editions can not survive against the very thing they are trying to create and take market share from.  None of these publications can go up against D&D - the Heavy Weight Champ of RPG.  Re-write the SDR in your terms – allow publishers to use the name D&D by abiding to restrictions you present, as you have done with the current SDRs. Take back the revenue that D&D rightfully owns with selling of the Core rule books of all past editions. 


My personal opinions:
I personal think “all the owners “, writers, authors, and any that have royalties should come together and restore D&D’s past.  I think it’s a responsibility that can’t be ignored.  D&D is a legend in it’s own right.  It will be well worth it in the long run for the sake of the game itself and its history.  If reasons are with naming issues (by marketing) – simply change the names on the older editions. It can be done with some effort.  And I think it’ll generate more revenue by not only killing off the competition but also selling more books.

Thanks Again to WtoC:
Your rule changes, style and direction to fit in with the next century are on target.  Any rule changes or game system mechanic changes will never be accepted by everyone.   I for one enjoy the works put out by WotC and also equally (if not more) enjoy the rule sets and games of the past, as well as many others do. 

Thanks for your time.


If WofC chooses to disagree with any of this we the public would request a logical reason.  A statement made by the WofC management or the Hasbro management team would be nice to here.  Just an explanation alone might help some of us come to a better understanding.   If it’s about royalties, agreements made in the past, conflicts of interest, or simply stating that your doing what’s best for the financial well being of WofC, Hasbro and the D&D itself - please fill us in.  

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To show your support and backing for this petition please either make a statement, state that you would buy a core book from any of the past editions or simply say “I agree.”  If any out there would like to amend or add on anything I write in this initial post fill free to do so with a reply.  (The more the better, as you will show demand for the old products.)

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[Post 2]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 01-10-07 05:21 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy print copies of the c. 1981 Basic & Expert rulebooks. I would buy them to replace my own aging copies. I would buy them as gifts for my group. I would buy them as gifts to young people I wish to introduce to the hobby who I cannot personally mentor, as I have found no other product that I think does that job as well.

I might buy other editions that were reprinted as well.

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[Post 3]
Author : Treymordin
Date : 01-10-07 06:50 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

It would be nice to see some of the original modules updated or reprinted!!

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[Post 4]
Author : Llwch
Date : 01-10-07 09:55 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree!

Count me in! :)

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[Post 5]
Author : sgt_d
Date : 01-10-07 10:40 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Although I should admit that I was a publisher/designer of an older RPG from the late 90's (we've since gone kaputski), I'm back to the old D&D. I'd love to see the old systems, gameworlds, and sourcebooks reprinted in their original entities, and would gladly buy them if they were available! (Like the "Bloodstone" series of modules... HINT HINT)

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[Post 6]
Author : Arcanda
Date : 01-11-07 02:42 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy a lot of old modules, from core books to adventures and expansions. I would buy player's options books, the D&D rule cyclopedia, the faboulos boxed set Champiosn of Mystara and Wrath of the Immortals; the Complete Barbarian and Ninja Handbooks, Jakandor and all its expansions, Matzica and all its adventures, the original Basic/Ecpert/Companion, Monstruos Manual Annual 1 to 4, some Planescape and Spelljammer stuff... and for sure some other module: my wish list is too large to remember it all now.

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[Post 7]
Author : Ateth_Istarlin
Date : 01-11-07 02:59 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in!
Ahem..:embarrass 
I mean, yes I'd love to be able to buy AD&D stuff again (I got rid of most of my AD&D when 3.0 came out, & now I'm having to scour the net to get it back :weep: )

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[Post 8]
Author : spyone
Date : 01-11-07 08:09 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

What's an "SDR"?

I doubt there's a big enough market for the 1st edition books to make it worth printing them, but perhaps something with PDFs could be viable.
Or, another run of the tiny versions they did a few years ago: the whole book shrunk to fit pages that were like 2 by 3 inches? I picked up a Greyhawk boxed set (complete with maps) and one other book, but I was too late to get a complete set (PH, DMG, MM, etc).

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[Post 9]
Author : Zaxon D'Mir
Date : 01-11-07 09:23 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I wholeheartedly agree. 

Furthermore, I completely agree with RobertFisher. The old 1981 Basic and Expert sets SHOULD be reprinted for nostalgia purposes alone. I think there is a market out there with old gamers that have strayed away over the last ten to fifteen years and this might get quite a few back. Market it for the older gamer and as D&D "lite" directly setting it up to compete with 3.5e. Playing heavy with the feel good/way it used to be nostalgia could make it a hit.

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[Post 10]
Author : Ferns
Date : 01-11-07 11:52 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would love to see the old books reprinted, so count me in :)

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[Post 11]
Author : catenwolde
Date : 01-12-07 02:02 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

The original Basic/Expert series and their accompanying support lines like the B series of modules are what drove the popularity of D&D.  Their simplicity and focus on new players is something that is sorely lacking in D&D today, and a republication would surely find an interested market.

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[Post 12]
Author : BroccoliRage
Date : 01-12-07 02:15 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Wizards of the Coast, BRING BACK OUR GAME!

Your d20 System-based D&D is a perfectly fine game, but so many of us would be happy to see AD&D return to print. New copies of our favorite system (unedited by the folks at WOTC, to keep the rules seperate and resist the temptation to tweak) would be bought, even if only periodically reprinted. New modules with the task force behind some of the newer material being pushed out nowadays, that would be great!

Please seriously consider this, Wizards of the Coast. There is a pretty large niche market out there that only you can fill!

Bring back AD&D!
Jeremy J. Carnes.

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[Post 13]
Author : jdarksong
Date : 01-12-07 07:54 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in.

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[Post 14]
Author : Crimhthan_The_Great
Date : 01-12-07 09:40 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Wizards of the Coast,

I support this petition to the fullest extent possible. Were you to reprint the older materials, I would like very much to replace my tattered copies of the following:

Chainmail - 1971 edition w/hobbits, ents and balrogs
D&D 3 books 1974 edition w/hobbits, ents and balrogs
Greyhawk:  Supplement I
Blackmoor:  Supplement II
Eldritch Wizardry:  Supplement III
Gods, Demi-Gods, & Heroes:  Supplement IV

I would also like to buy an additional 20 copies of these items for younger family members. 

The other members of my nearly 36 year old Chainmail fantasy/D&D campaign would also buy a replacement set and I have no doubt they also would buy copies for younger family members.

In addition, I would gladly buy a nice new print of the following:

D&D Basic Set (blue box) edited by J. Eric Holmes
(I would also be very interested if this were to expanded into a complete one book version combining all of the Fantasy portion of Chainmail, the three OD&D books, the four supplements and the OD&D material from the Strategic Review and The Dragon magazine into one unified whole in one hardback volume. I would pay up to $40.00 for this item)

D&D Basic Set (magenta box) edited by Tom Moldvay
D&D Expert Set (light blue box) edited by Dave Cook

D&D Basic Rules Set 1 (red box) edited by Frank Mentzer
D&D Expert Rules Set 2 (blue box) edited by Frank Mentzer
Set 3: Companion Rules by Frank Mentzer
Set 4: Master Rules by Gary Gygax with Frank Mentzer
Set 5: Immortals Rules by Frank Mentzer
Wrath of the Immortals by Aaron Allston

D&D Rules Cyclopedia by Aaron Allston

Original First Edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons
Dungeon Masters Guide
Players Handbook
Monster Manual
Monster Manual II
Deities & Demigods w/Cthulhu and Melnibone
Dungeoneer's Survival Guide
Fiend Folio
Greyhawk Adventures
Oriental Adventures
Unearthed Arcana
Wilderness Survival Guide

and the following modules(I have some of them, but I would like all of them):
A1  Slave Pits of the Undercity    
A2  Secret of the Slavers Stockade 
A3  Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords 
A4  In the Dungeons of the Slave Lords  
A1-4  Scourge of the Slave Lords  
B1  In Search of the Unknown    
B2  Keep on the Borderlands 
B3  Palace of the Silver Princess 
B4  Lost City
B5  Horror on the Hill   
B6  Veiled Society  
B7  Rahasia    
B8  Journey to the Rock 
B9  Castle Caldwell and Beyond  
B1-9  In Search of Adventure 
B10  Night's Dark Terror   
B11  King's Festival 
B12  Queen's Harvest 
BSOLO  Ghost of Lion Castle 
C1  Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan   
C2  Ghost Tower of Inverness 
C3  Lost Island of Castanamir 
C4  To Find a King 
C5  Bane of Llywelyn
C6  RPGA Tournament Handbook    
CA1  Swords of the Undercity    
CA2  Swords of Deceit  
CB1  Conan Unchained! 
CB2  Conan Against Darkness!    
CM1  Test of the Warlords   
CM2  Death's Ride    
CM3  Sabre River 
CM4  Earthshaker! 
CM5  Mystery of the Snow Pearls 
CM6  Where Chaos Reigns 
CM7  Tree of Life 
CM8  Endless Stair 
CM9  Legacy of Blood 
D1  Descent Into the Depths 
D2  Shrine of the Kuo-Toa   
D1-2  Descent Into the Depths
D3  Vault of the Drow    
DA1  Adventures in Blackmoor    
DA2  Temple of the Frog 
DA3  City of the Gods 
DA4  Duchy of Ten 
DDA1  Arena of Thyatis     
DDA2  Legions of Thyatis     
DDA3  Eye of Traldar    
DDA4  Dymrak Dread 
DL1  Dragons of Despair     
DL2  Dragons of Flame    
DL3  Dragons of Hope    
DL4  Dragons of Desolation    
DL5  Dragons of Mystery    
DL6  Dragons of Ice    
DL7  Dragons of Light    
DL8  Dragons of War 
DL9  Dragons of Deceit 
DL10  Dragons of Dreams    
DL11  Dragons of Glory 
DL12  Dragons of Faith 
DL13  Dragons of Truth 
DL14  Dragons of Triumph   
DL15  Mists of Krynn 
DL16  World of Krynn     
DLA1  Dragon Dawn    
DLA2  Dragon Knight 
DLA3  Dragon's Rest  
DLC1  Classics Vol 1   
DLC2  Classics Vol 2 
DLC3  Classics Vol 3 
DLE1  In Search of Dragons   
DLE2  Dragon Magic 
DLE3  Dragon Keep 
DQ1  Shattered Statue     
EX1  Dungeonland   
EX2  Land Beyond the Magic Mirror    
FR1  Waterdeep and the North 
FR2  Moonshae 
FR3  Empires of the Sands   
FR4  Magister   
FR5  Savage Frontier 
FR6  Dreams of the Red Wizards 
FR7  Hall of Heroes 
FR8  Cities of Mystery 
FR9  Bloodstone Lands 
FR10  Old Empires 
FR11  Dwarves Deep  
FR12  Horde Campaign     
FR13  Anauroch 
FR14  Great Glacier    
FR15  Gold & Glory     
FR16  Shining South    
FRC1  Ruins of Adventure
FRC2  Curse of the Azure Bonds 
G1  Steading of the Hill Giant Chief 
G2  Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl 
G3  Hall of the Fire Giant King 
G1-2-3  Against the Giants 
GDQ1-7  Queen of the Spiders 
H1  Bloodstone Pass 
H2  Mines of Bloodstone 
H3  Bloodstone Wars 
H4  Throne of Bloodstone 
I1  Dwellers of the Forbidden City    
I2  Tomb of the Lizard King    
I3  Pharaoh 
I4  Oasis of the White Palm    
I5  Lost Tomb of Martek 
I3-5  Desert of Desolation 
I6  Ravenloft 
I7  Baltron's Beacon 
I8  Ravager of Time   
I9  Day of Al'Akbar 
I10  Ravenloft II: House on Gryphon Hill 
I11  Needle 
I12  Egg of the Phoenix 
I13  Adventure Pack 1 
I14  Swords of the Iron Legion  
IM1  Immortal Storm 
IM2  Wrath of Olympus 
IM3  Best of Intentions    
L1  Secret of Bone Hill   
L2  Assassin's Knot   
L3  Deep Dwarven Delve 
LC1  Gateway to Ravens Bluff 
LC2  Inside Ravens Bluff    
LC3  Nightwatch in the Living City     
LC4  Port of Ravens Bluff     
M1  Into the Maelstrom 
M2  Vengeance of Alphaks 
M3  Twilight Calling    
M4  Five Coins for a Kingdom   
M5  Talons of Night 
MSOL1  Blizzard Pass   
MSOL2  Maze of the Riddling Minotaur 
MV1  Midnight on Dagger Alley 
N1  Against the Cult of the Reptile God 
N2  Forest Oracle 
N3  Destiny of Kings   
N4  Treasure Hunt 
N5  Under Illefarn 
O1  Gem and the Staff    
O2  Blade of Vengeance    
OA1  Swords of the Daimyo    
OA2  Night of Seven Swords     
OA3  Ochimo the Spirit Warrior 
OA4  Blood of the Yakuza     
OA5  Mad Monkey vs. the Dragon Claw     
OA6  Ronin Challenge     
OA7  Test of the Samurai 
OP1  Tales of the Outer Planes
Q1  Queen of the Demonweb Pits  
R1  To the Aid of Falx 
R2  Investigation of Hydell 
R3  Egg of the Phoenix 
R5  Great Bugbear Hunt  
R6  Bigby's Tomb 
R7-10  "Dwarven" Quest for the Rod of Seven Parts 
RPGA1  Rahasia 
RPGA2  Black Opal Eye 
RPGA3  Forgotten King    
RPGA4  Elixir of Life    
RS1  Red Sonja Unconquered   
S1  Tomb of Horrors    
S2  White Plume Mountain  
S3  Expedition to the Barrier Peaks 
S4  Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth 
S1-4  Realms of Horror 
ST1  Up the Garden Path 
T1  Village of Hommlet 
T1-4  Temple of Elemental Evil 
U1  Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh 
U2  Danger at Dunwater     
U3  Final Enemy 
UK1  Beyond the Crystal Cave 
UK2  Sentinel 
UK3  Gauntlet 
UK4  When a Star Falls     
UK5  Eye of the Serpent     
UK6  All That Glitters...     
UK7  Dark Clouds Gather   
WG4  Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun 
WG5  Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure   
WG6  Isle of the Ape 
WG7  Castle Greyhawk 
WG8  Fate of Istus 
WG9  Gargoyle    
WG10  Child's Play     
WG11  Puppets     
WG12  Vale of the Mage     
WGA1  Falcon's Revenge     
WGA2  Falconmaster    
WGA3  Flames of the Falcon 
WGA4  Vecna Lives! 
WGM1  Border Watch 
WGQ1  Patriots of Ulek 
WGR1  Greyhawk Ruins 
WGR2  Treasures of Greyhawk     
WGR3  Rary the Traitor    
WGR4  Marklands 
WGR5  Iuz the Evil 
WGR6  City of Skulls 
WGS1  Five Shall Be One     
WGS2  Howl From the North 
X1  Isle of Dread  
X2  Castle Amber    
X3  Curse of Xanathon   
X4  Master of the Desert Nomads    
X5  Temple of Death    
X6  Quagmire! 
X7  War Rafts of Kron  
X8  Drums on Fire Mountain 
X9  Savage Coast 
X10  Red Arrow, Black Shield 
X11  Saga of the Shadow Lord 
X12  Skarda's Mirror    
X13  Crown of Ancient Glory   
XL1  Quest for the Heartstone    
XSOLO  Lathan's Gold    
XS2  Thunderdelve Mountain

I am also very much in favor of an SRD that encompasses all of OD&D and a second SRD that encompasses all of OAD&D.

Thank you,
Crimhthan_The_Great
Judge/Referee/Dungeon Master & Player

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[Post 15]
Author : Wolfsire
Date : 01-12-07 11:10 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Bring it on.

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[Post 16]
Author : xyzchyx
Date : 01-12-07 01:49 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

If WotC ever decided to resume publication of them, I would _DEFINITELY_ buy new in-print copies of almost all the 1st edition AD&D rulebooks to replace my aging copies here at home, and probably another 15 or so modules that I never managed to get when they were in stores that I would really like to own now.  It would also radically simplify playing it because I wouldn't have to loan out my books to players all the time because they don't have their own and can't readily get them.

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[Post 17]
Author : Zherbus
Date : 01-12-07 01:51 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I like non-pdf gaming materials that are relevant to me. Count me in.

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[Post 18]
Author : Rhuvein
Date : 01-12-07 01:51 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree with and support this effort!!! :invasion:

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[Post 19]
Author : Maliki
Date : 01-12-07 05:42 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in as well.

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[Post 20]
Author : JohnS
Date : 01-12-07 06:58 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy old material in a heart beat, especially the old basic and expert sets for my daughter, myself, and my friends.

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[Post 21]
Author : t-rex58
Date : 01-12-07 08:07 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

AD&D 1E with all the original content and cover art in new hardcover book's just like the one's WOTC publish today would be #1 on my must have list.

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[Post 22]
Author : Varl
Date : 01-12-07 09:15 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Sure, why not? I could use a brand new 2e PHB. I'd prefer a petition to have WotC sell their OOP IPs to someone(s) that cares about the systems so they could do something with it without having to worry about litigation, but we know that'll never happen.

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[Post 23]
Author : 3rdEditionSUCKS
Date : 01-12-07 10:20 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I AGREE.....
:nonono: It just doesnt make sense to me how the building blocks of ALL RPGs can just dissapear. They need to bring it back

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[Post 24]
Author : Lord Gwydion
Date : 01-12-07 10:31 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'll add my name in support of this.  It would be nice to be able to buy new copies of gaming material that I have that is in poor condition, or that I never had at all.  

Even if the original material isn't reprinted due to cost factors, releasing SRDs of the older systems for use by 3rd party publishers would also be appreciated--and would involve minimal investment by WotC.

Thank you,
Dennis P. Laffey

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[Post 25]
Author : grodog
Date : 01-13-07 12:55 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Yes, I'd generously support AD&D returning to print.

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[Post 26]
Author : doktorhook
Date : 01-13-07 12:56 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

WotC, please consider reprinting the old editions. If it were not for our love of the original games, 3.5 would not exist. It is built upon our backs & our backs alone! We, the lovers of the old school game, where an armor class of -10 meant you were nigh invicible! We who enjoyed the limited character concepts because they were archetypal! Where there were no such things as 600th level half golem, half dragon wizard/Warrior/Basketweavers! 

In an age of incredible video games, cell phones, Ipod's, & a whole host of other eletronic wizardry, where will the 3.5 players be 20 years from now? Will they have the staying power of the old school gamers? The dedication? Dare I say it, the love?

Only fools throw away Gold to hoard Lead!

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[Post 27]
Author : Arcanda
Date : 01-13-07 04:02 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

In an age of incredible video games, cell phones, Ipod's, & a whole host of other eletronic wizardry, where will the 3.5 players be 20 years from now? Will they have the staying power of the old school gamers? The dedication? Dare I say it, the love?

Only fools throw away Gold to hoard Lead!You are really wise! Your wisdom score is 18!

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[Post 28]
Author : Blackstone777
Date : 01-13-07 10:45 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I approve 100%.

I would love to see the "old school" stuff back in print

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[Post 29]
Author : deimos3428
Date : 01-13-07 09:55 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Yes, I'd generously support AD&D returning to print.As would I, but hopefully it would go beyond reprinting classic modules.  WotC could actually make some money by supporting these earlier works with new material.

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[Post 30]
Author : Rangerman
Date : 01-14-07 01:45 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would like to buy older editions as well. I don't know how likely it is but I would buy them.

Maybe on demand printing would be a better option than just a regular printing run.

Wizards please consider/look into making the older editions available for on demand printing.

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[Post 31]
Author : Stormonu
Date : 01-14-07 04:38 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I really think that at least, the basic/expert/companion/master/immortal and 1E/2E/option set rules should be made available as a SRD for those who want to use the old editions of the game.

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[Post 32]
Author : Serak_DeSardis
Date : 01-14-07 01:04 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I am an avid 3.0/3.5 player/fan. I did however get my start at the end of the ADND run and have some sourcebooks and modules for the older system. While I still believe the focus should remain on 3.5 and its much more stable and balanced gameplay and easily accessibility, I do believe there is a market for the classics and it would be a worthy investment of resource on WotC's part.
My proposal is simple:

Re-release the old system in a large hardcover collector's format. Combine the last updated ADND version of the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual into one solid volume, include any errata issued near the end of its run. Produce two versions.

1. Complete Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Sourcebook
(PH, DMG, MM) - 39.99 Hardcover

2. Complete Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Sourcebook -  Collector's Edition - (PH, DMG, MM) Leatherbound Hardcover - 79.99 (Like the DMG Collector's Ed for 3.5)

I would then follow this up with a series of PDF version of old modules and the like.  Its up to WotC if they wanted to charge for it.

The only hiccups in the PDf idea is that theres a website out there that sells alot of the old products in PDF format, for around 3 or 4 USD each. I'm not sure if they have some kind of rights or agreement with WotC to sell them.

Personally I'd love to see some 3.5 updates of old settings such as Dark Sun or al-Qadim, but other that www.athas.org (WotC Supported PDF format site) I'm not holding my breathe. I think there would be some serious interest in a limited run of Collector's Series ADND book reprints.

thats my 2c.

On another note, you can find alot of older books on online auction sites in remarkable quality sometimes. Takes some patience and luck but their out there.

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[Post 33]
Author : Llwch
Date : 01-14-07 02:56 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I am an avid 3.0/3.5 player/fan. I did however get my start at the end of the ADND run and have some sourcebooks and modules for the older system. While I still believe the focus should remain on 3.5 and its much more stable and balanced gameplay and easily accessibility, I do believe there is a market for the classics and it would be a worthy investment of resource on WotC's part.
My proposal is simple:

Re-release the old system in a large hardcover collector's format. Combine the last updated ADND version of the Player's Handbook, Dungeon Master's Guide and Monster Manual into one solid volume, include any errata issued near the end of its run. Produce two versions.

1. Complete Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Sourcebook
(PH, DMG, MM) - 39.99 Hardcover

2. Complete Advanced Dungeons and Dragons Sourcebook -  Collector's Edition - (PH, DMG, MM) Leatherbound Hardcover - 79.99 (Like the DMG Collector's Ed for 3.5)

Great idea. I'd buy both, probably (the first for my kids, the second for me.) :D

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[Post 34]
Author : Wyrmbane
Date : 01-14-07 04:53 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

1e or 2e, I'd love to have either or both.  Count me in.

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[Post 35]
Author : Nikosandros
Date : 01-15-07 09:35 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

It's never going to happen... but I would love it! :)

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[Post 36]
Author : Raastin
Date : 01-15-07 10:59 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would also like to see re-prints of the older editions, especially a cleaned up and revised version of the D&D Rules Cyclopedia.


--J. Haney

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[Post 37]
Author : Raastin
Date : 01-15-07 11:03 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Personally I'd love to see some 3.5 updates of old settings such as Dark Sun or al-Qadim, but other that www.athas.org (WotC Supported PDF format site) I'm not holding my breathe. I think there would be some serious interest in a limited run of Collector's Series ADND book reprints.



Dragon and Dungeon magazines have both printed updates of Dark Sun to 3.5. I don't have the issue numbers at hand, but you could probably find them on ebay or get PDFs of them from Paizo Publishing.


--J. Haney

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[Post 38]
Author : Ace_of_Diamonds
Date : 01-15-07 05:41 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I, Ace of Diamonds, hereby sign this petition.

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[Post 39]
Author : Raistlin_05
Date : 01-15-07 08:30 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in, I don't own a copy of the AD&D 1st edition rulebooks, I have to use my uncle's when we game.

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[Post 40]
Author : WizzyBlackmore
Date : 01-15-07 09:20 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I haven't read all the replies on this thread so I'm not sure if there's any debate, I own 2-3 copies of each of the core books '78'-'81 in excellent-mint condition, Some 1st editions, Melnibone, wizard logo, etc, I bought several on Ebay where they are all over the place and for under $10 in many cases.....what's the point of WoTC re-releasing them?  I'd rather own an original piece from my past, brings back great memories....

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[Post 41]
Author : Jym
Date : 01-15-07 10:33 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I like the idea. But asking WotC to create SRDs for 1st and 2nd ed? That's a lot of work, but not for much (if any) profit, so (not to be critical) I don't see WotC doing it. Some hardcore fans should propose some SRDs and circulate them on the Internet, and leave it to WotC to reprint those old goodies.

Would the 1st edition SRD just use the old PHB, DMG and MM, or incorporate things from the old UA, Dungeoneers Survival Guide, Wilderness Survival Guide?

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[Post 42]
Author : kengar
Date : 01-16-07 02:25 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy The Mystara/Known World Gazetteers and the 1981 Basic/Expert Rule Books (maybe more as well). So, yes. Count me in. :)

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[Post 43]
Author : Varl
Date : 01-16-07 11:17 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'd definitely buy PDFs of the rare and obscure modules very few of us had the luxury of obtaining.

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[Post 44]
Author : maliceincarnate
Date : 01-20-07 05:26 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

*signed*

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[Post 45]
Author : Dagger4192
Date : 01-20-07 08:03 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would absolutely love to see a reprint of the 1e and 2e core books. I like the idea of a previous poster who suggested printing each edition as one large book. I also love the idea of releasing SRDs for these as well. Count me in!

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[Post 46]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 01-21-07 03:07 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would absolutely support this petition with my wallet. I have several groups of 2nd Ed going and many of the younger guys would definitely buy the core books. They are already much sought after gifts aquired with progressively greater and greater effort. I would certainly buy more copies of a reprinted PHB and Monster Manual as mine are showing wear. Some of the 1st Ed. modules to complete my collection would also be welcome. I have already urged WotC to take this course in some of the other related threads.

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[Post 47]
Author : khyron1144
Date : 01-21-07 03:06 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

It's obviously a real long shot, but I would whole-heartedly support any reprint project that can get me a replacement copy of my Spelljammer Monstrous Compendium 1 and also the Spelljammer Monstrous Compendium 2 and The Complete Spacefarer's Handbook and other Spelljammer goodies I don't have.

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[Post 48]
Author : BevisIscariot
Date : 01-26-07 12:22 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'm in.  Long live AD&D!

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[Post 49]
Author : silverhawk
Date : 01-28-07 02:48 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Wizards of the Coast,

I support this petition to the fullest extent possible. Were you to reprint the older materials, I would like very much to replace my tattered copies of the following:

Chainmail - 1971 edition w/hobbits, ents and balrogs
D&D 3 books 1974 edition w/hobbits, ents and balrogs
Greyhawk:  Supplement I
Blackmoor:  Supplement II
Eldritch Wizardry:  Supplement III
Gods, Demi-Gods, & Heroes:  Supplement IV

I would also like to buy an additional 20 copies of these items for younger family members. 

The other members of my nearly 36 year old Chainmail fantasy/D&D campaign would also buy a replacement set and I have no doubt they also would buy copies for younger family members.

In addition, I would gladly buy a nice new print of the following:

D&D Basic Set (blue box) edited by J. Eric Holmes
(I would also be very interested if this were to expanded into a complete one book version combining all of the Fantasy portion of Chainmail, the three OD&D books, the four supplements and the OD&D material from the Strategic Review and The Dragon magazine into one unified whole in one hardback volume. I would pay up to $40.00 for this item)

D&D Basic Set (magenta box) edited by Tom Moldvay
D&D Expert Set (light blue box) edited by Dave Cook

D&D Basic Rules Set 1 (red box) edited by Frank Mentzer
D&D Expert Rules Set 2 (blue box) edited by Frank Mentzer
Set 3: Companion Rules by Frank Mentzer
Set 4: Master Rules by Gary Gygax with Frank Mentzer
Set 5: Immortals Rules by Frank Mentzer
Wrath of the Immortals by Aaron Allston

D&D Rules Cyclopedia by Aaron Allston

Original First Edition Advanced Dungeons & Dragons
Dungeon Masters Guide
Players Handbook
Monster Manual
Monster Manual II
Deities & Demigods w/Cthulhu and Melnibone
Dungeoneer's Survival Guide
Fiend Folio
Greyhawk Adventures
Oriental Adventures
Unearthed Arcana
Wilderness Survival Guide

and the following modules(I have some of them, but I would like all of them):
A1  Slave Pits of the Undercity    
A2  Secret of the Slavers Stockade 
A3  Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords 
A4  In the Dungeons of the Slave Lords  
A1-4  Scourge of the Slave Lords  
B1  In Search of the Unknown    
B2  Keep on the Borderlands 
B3  Palace of the Silver Princess 
B4  Lost City
B5  Horror on the Hill   
B6  Veiled Society  
B7  Rahasia    
B8  Journey to the Rock 
B9  Castle Caldwell and Beyond  
B1-9  In Search of Adventure 
B10  Night's Dark Terror   
B11  King's Festival 
B12  Queen's Harvest 
BSOLO  Ghost of Lion Castle 
C1  Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan   
C2  Ghost Tower of Inverness 
C3  Lost Island of Castanamir 
C4  To Find a King 
C5  Bane of Llywelyn
C6  RPGA Tournament Handbook    
CA1  Swords of the Undercity    
CA2  Swords of Deceit  
CB1  Conan Unchained! 
CB2  Conan Against Darkness!    
CM1  Test of the Warlords   
CM2  Death's Ride    
CM3  Sabre River 
CM4  Earthshaker! 
CM5  Mystery of the Snow Pearls 
CM6  Where Chaos Reigns 
CM7  Tree of Life 
CM8  Endless Stair 
CM9  Legacy of Blood 
D1  Descent Into the Depths 
D2  Shrine of the Kuo-Toa   
D1-2  Descent Into the Depths
D3  Vault of the Drow    
DA1  Adventures in Blackmoor    
DA2  Temple of the Frog 
DA3  City of the Gods 
DA4  Duchy of Ten 
DDA1  Arena of Thyatis     
DDA2  Legions of Thyatis     
DDA3  Eye of Traldar    
DDA4  Dymrak Dread 
DL1  Dragons of Despair     
DL2  Dragons of Flame    
DL3  Dragons of Hope    
DL4  Dragons of Desolation    
DL5  Dragons of Mystery    
DL6  Dragons of Ice    
DL7  Dragons of Light    
DL8  Dragons of War 
DL9  Dragons of Deceit 
DL10  Dragons of Dreams    
DL11  Dragons of Glory 
DL12  Dragons of Faith 
DL13  Dragons of Truth 
DL14  Dragons of Triumph   
DL15  Mists of Krynn 
DL16  World of Krynn     
DLA1  Dragon Dawn    
DLA2  Dragon Knight 
DLA3  Dragon's Rest  
DLC1  Classics Vol 1   
DLC2  Classics Vol 2 
DLC3  Classics Vol 3 
DLE1  In Search of Dragons   
DLE2  Dragon Magic 
DLE3  Dragon Keep 
DQ1  Shattered Statue     
EX1  Dungeonland   
EX2  Land Beyond the Magic Mirror    
FR1  Waterdeep and the North 
FR2  Moonshae 
FR3  Empires of the Sands   
FR4  Magister   
FR5  Savage Frontier 
FR6  Dreams of the Red Wizards 
FR7  Hall of Heroes 
FR8  Cities of Mystery 
FR9  Bloodstone Lands 
FR10  Old Empires 
FR11  Dwarves Deep  
FR12  Horde Campaign     
FR13  Anauroch 
FR14  Great Glacier    
FR15  Gold & Glory     
FR16  Shining South    
FRC1  Ruins of Adventure
FRC2  Curse of the Azure Bonds 
G1  Steading of the Hill Giant Chief 
G2  Glacial Rift of the Frost Giant Jarl 
G3  Hall of the Fire Giant King 
G1-2-3  Against the Giants 
GDQ1-7  Queen of the Spiders 
H1  Bloodstone Pass 
H2  Mines of Bloodstone 
H3  Bloodstone Wars 
H4  Throne of Bloodstone 
I1  Dwellers of the Forbidden City    
I2  Tomb of the Lizard King    
I3  Pharaoh 
I4  Oasis of the White Palm    
I5  Lost Tomb of Martek 
I3-5  Desert of Desolation 
I6  Ravenloft 
I7  Baltron's Beacon 
I8  Ravager of Time   
I9  Day of Al'Akbar 
I10  Ravenloft II: House on Gryphon Hill 
I11  Needle 
I12  Egg of the Phoenix 
I13  Adventure Pack 1 
I14  Swords of the Iron Legion  
IM1  Immortal Storm 
IM2  Wrath of Olympus 
IM3  Best of Intentions    
L1  Secret of Bone Hill   
L2  Assassin's Knot   
L3  Deep Dwarven Delve 
LC1  Gateway to Ravens Bluff 
LC2  Inside Ravens Bluff    
LC3  Nightwatch in the Living City     
LC4  Port of Ravens Bluff     
M1  Into the Maelstrom 
M2  Vengeance of Alphaks 
M3  Twilight Calling    
M4  Five Coins for a Kingdom   
M5  Talons of Night 
MSOL1  Blizzard Pass   
MSOL2  Maze of the Riddling Minotaur 
MV1  Midnight on Dagger Alley 
N1  Against the Cult of the Reptile God 
N2  Forest Oracle 
N3  Destiny of Kings   
N4  Treasure Hunt 
N5  Under Illefarn 
O1  Gem and the Staff    
O2  Blade of Vengeance    
OA1  Swords of the Daimyo    
OA2  Night of Seven Swords     
OA3  Ochimo the Spirit Warrior 
OA4  Blood of the Yakuza     
OA5  Mad Monkey vs. the Dragon Claw     
OA6  Ronin Challenge     
OA7  Test of the Samurai 
OP1  Tales of the Outer Planes
Q1  Queen of the Demonweb Pits  
R1  To the Aid of Falx 
R2  Investigation of Hydell 
R3  Egg of the Phoenix 
R5  Great Bugbear Hunt  
R6  Bigby's Tomb 
R7-10  "Dwarven" Quest for the Rod of Seven Parts 
RPGA1  Rahasia 
RPGA2  Black Opal Eye 
RPGA3  Forgotten King    
RPGA4  Elixir of Life    
RS1  Red Sonja Unconquered   
S1  Tomb of Horrors    
S2  White Plume Mountain  
S3  Expedition to the Barrier Peaks 
S4  Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth 
S1-4  Realms of Horror 
ST1  Up the Garden Path 
T1  Village of Hommlet 
T1-4  Temple of Elemental Evil 
U1  Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh 
U2  Danger at Dunwater     
U3  Final Enemy 
UK1  Beyond the Crystal Cave 
UK2  Sentinel 
UK3  Gauntlet 
UK4  When a Star Falls     
UK5  Eye of the Serpent     
UK6  All That Glitters...     
UK7  Dark Clouds Gather   
WG4  Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun 
WG5  Mordenkainen's Fantastic Adventure   
WG6  Isle of the Ape 
WG7  Castle Greyhawk 
WG8  Fate of Istus 
WG9  Gargoyle    
WG10  Child's Play     
WG11  Puppets     
WG12  Vale of the Mage     
WGA1  Falcon's Revenge     
WGA2  Falconmaster    
WGA3  Flames of the Falcon 
WGA4  Vecna Lives! 
WGM1  Border Watch 
WGQ1  Patriots of Ulek 
WGR1  Greyhawk Ruins 
WGR2  Treasures of Greyhawk     
WGR3  Rary the Traitor    
WGR4  Marklands 
WGR5  Iuz the Evil 
WGR6  City of Skulls 
WGS1  Five Shall Be One     
WGS2  Howl From the North 
X1  Isle of Dread  
X2  Castle Amber    
X3  Curse of Xanathon   
X4  Master of the Desert Nomads    
X5  Temple of Death    
X6  Quagmire! 
X7  War Rafts of Kron  
X8  Drums on Fire Mountain 
X9  Savage Coast 
X10  Red Arrow, Black Shield 
X11  Saga of the Shadow Lord 
X12  Skarda's Mirror    
X13  Crown of Ancient Glory   
XL1  Quest for the Heartstone    
XSOLO  Lathan's Gold    
XS2  Thunderdelve Mountain

I am also very much in favor of an SRD that encompasses all of OD&D and a second SRD that encompasses all of OAD&D.

Thank you,
Crimhthan_The_Great
Judge/Referee/Dungeon Master & Player

I know personally 3 players who HATE D&D 3rd Edition and would jump on buying a new set of 2nd Edition books aka AD&D  & the modules.

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[Post 50]
Author : 3rdEditionSUCKS
Date : 01-28-07 07:10 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I know personally 3 players who HATE D&D 3rd Edition and would jump on buying a new set of 2nd Edition books aka AD&D  & the modules.

Make it 4 :ayyyy!:

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[Post 51]
Author : Yitan_Elenion
Date : 01-29-07 10:35 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Hello everyone:

    I discovered the wanders of AD&D 2nd Edition gameplay a bit too late, becouse the 3rd Edition had been launched already. So I never had the opportunity to have one of the old rule books.

    I would really appreciate, no, I would love, that WotC re-sell all the original core books, not only for me, but for my entire group, and all the generations that will come after us. Becouse, even they would be able to play the last edition of the game, in a world where video games and technology are expanding, the real essence of Dungeons and Dragons is slowly begining to fade, and the roots of the game are disappearing.

    In the name of every adventurer soul, traped in a grey world of technology, routine, extreme comfort, lazy people and concrete, please bring us back the old versions of this wonderful game that is the Dungeons & Dragons, so those souls would be able to enter in a magical world where everything is possible, and their faith in life would be restored.

    An AD&D fan, Yitan Elenion.

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[Post 52]
Author : Handsome Stranger
Date : 01-29-07 10:18 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I've played 3.0 and 3.5.  You're entitled to an opinion on whether you love them or hate them, but they're NOT Dungeons and Dragons.  Consider this customer feedback on the only way WOTC will see any more of my money.  I'm not going to trash the current product, nor will I savage people who enjoy it, but my gaming budget is now entirely reserved for AD&D.  

One more signature.

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[Post 53]
Author : bungo_underhill
Date : 01-30-07 08:23 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in.

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[Post 54]
Author : Doomsmoker
Date : 02-03-07 07:51 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree!!!!!!! Theres so many 2nd edition books that i need for my collection. But didn't they sell the 1st edition rules to the guys that do knights of the dinner table to make hackmaster?

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[Post 55]
Author : exorb
Date : 02-03-07 12:55 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I guess i need to sign?  I agree.  Bring back the old books.

Hackmaster - has a comical nature (with quarks and other stuff)

C&C - is more like 3rd ED (D20)

I think the old books would out sell both of those.  Some say shop Ebay. 3rd ED are on Ebay as well (people still buy the books from stores, and not on Ebay)

If there is a market for C&C and HM there is a market for AD&D.  I'm 100% sure AD&D would out sell them both.

*Make AD&D open gaming content. So new meterial can be made, for "AD&D"
not a game that does not exist like "OSRIC"  There is a very big difference.
Change the Name of AD&D if WofC has too. (to Old D&D or whatever)
Allow publishers to put “Compatible with (original - O) OD&D basic, OD&D1stED or OD&D 2nd ED  rule sets.”  - with a logo like they do for the “D20 system”  - Allow publishers to use a list of "proper names" with SRDs.

GO to any RPG store in the world and you can find people playing 1st & 2nd ED AD&D.

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[Post 56]
Author : jackschmidt
Date : 02-20-07 11:47 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I like the idea of reprinting.  The problem is that WotC won't really bother (Do they even know this thread exists?).  The only other means is that Basic D&D and AD&D fall under public domain, however I think it will take approximately 100 years before Basic that will happen.

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[Post 57]
Author : ozbirthrightfan
Date : 02-21-07 05:53 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'd buy reprints of 2e stuff for sure.

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[Post 58]
Author : Finarvyn
Date : 02-26-07 08:44 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I am a solid supporter of the original D&D game system. I'd love to buy new copies of the rules for myself and my kids.

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[Post 59]
Author : elondir
Date : 02-26-07 04:00 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I already own all the old ones (although my 2e PHB is worn badly), but would love to see re-prints of the old stuff.  I have never been a fan of the "Return to" ones like "Return to the Tomb of Horrors", where they make sequels of the originals instead of just re-printing the originals.  For adventures, I want the originals, unchanged. 

At the very least, I would LOVE to see the OD&D Rules Cyclopedia re-released.  It was one of the best books TSR ever made.

And SRDs for second edition AD&D, first edition AD&D, and OD&D would be awesomer than the most awesomely awesome awesomeness could ever dream of.

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[Post 60]
Author : Zudrak
Date : 03-02-07 05:14 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy the original D&D, "Basic"/BECMI D&D, and original AD&D material if it were made available once again.  As stated before, to prevent a generation of gamers from buying that which started it all is just plain wrong.

Did Hasbro cease making Chutes & Ladders, Candyland, or Hungry Hungry Hippos (all of which I've bought recently for my 4 year old son)?  No.  They should rethink their RPG direction and rebuild from the foundation that started it all.

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[Post 61]
Author : phaaf_glien
Date : 03-05-07 05:11 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

definately... core rules 2nd edition rocks... it is perfected AD&D 1st edition...

let the video gamish 3rd editions fall away

hah

my vote is in

(they will never relent... WotC is making too much money with their well-marketed 3rd eds...)

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[Post 62]
Author : Dochenor
Date : 03-07-07 12:14 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

COUNT ME IN!! The nine books i have left are almost falling apart. I would love to get a hold of some classic 2nd modules. Have you seen the price people are asking for these things on the web?

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[Post 63]
Author : chatdemon
Date : 03-08-07 05:01 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Did Hasbro cease making Chutes & Ladders, Candyland, or Hungry Hungry Hippos (all of which I've bought recently for my 4 year old son)?  No.  They should rethink their RPG direction and rebuild from the foundation that started it all.

So, where can I buy Chutes & Ladders 3.0? Advanced Candyland? Hungry Hungry Hippos 3.5? That statement is ridiculous. Those games are in print because there are no newer games to replace them.

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[Post 64]
Author : fiendlurking
Date : 03-08-07 08:37 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree!

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[Post 65]
Author : Higmorton
Date : 03-10-07 12:02 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree.

I prefer 2nd ed. and would buy reprints of this material.
Also the immortal rules boxed set ed.

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[Post 66]
Author : spyone
Date : 03-10-07 01:24 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Did Hasbro cease making Chutes & Ladders, Candyland, or Hungry Hungry Hippos (all of which I've bought recently for my 4 year old son)?
If they were making other (newer) games with the same title, you can bet they'd drop the old ones.

And, while one could say that all games compete in the marketplace with all other games, Candyland is not really the same kind of direct competition for, say Risk that original D&D or 1st ed AD&D would be to 3.5.

Not trying to be a downer here, just trying to remain realistic about how massively unlikely this is to work.
But I'm still in favor of it.

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[Post 67]
Author : spyone
Date : 03-10-07 01:29 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

definately... core rules 2nd edition rocks... it is perfected AD&D 1st edition...

Really? I know many who's opinion is diametrically opposite: that 2nd edition maintained most of the flaws of 1st ed, then added all new ones by adding a bunch of new rules that were poorly integrated.
Myself, I'm not familiar enough with 2.0 to know, really. I bought the books for my DM as a gift, and he ran it for a while, then announced that rather than trying to convert the characters from the old campaign to 2nd ed we'd just keep playing them under 1st ed.

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[Post 68]
Author : ypexode
Date : 03-12-07 04:58 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

As a dedicated servant of the ad&d game i cannot do anything but offer every last cent to the cause.

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[Post 69]
Author : Zudrak
Date : 03-12-07 10:51 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

So, where can I buy Chutes & Ladders 3.0? Advanced Candyland? Hungry Hungry Hippos 3.5? That statement is ridiculous. Those games are in print because there are no newer games to replace them.

There are many gamers that refuse to believe the new has replaced the old, no matter the attitude of the "new breed" or the company that spawned them.  I've played 3e and 3.5.  I've abandoned the rules-heavy, calculator-dependent system.  If WotC wants me or others like me to buy their products in the future, I have "cast my vote".

Otherwise, I'll be playing 1e/Castles & Crusades/"Badwrongfun".

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[Post 70]
Author : Clangador
Date : 03-15-07 12:42 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

definately... core rules 2nd edition rocks... it is perfected AD&D 1st edition...

let the video gamish 3rd editions fall away

hah

my vote is in

(they will never relent... WotC is making too much money with their well-marketed 3rd eds...)

That is an outlandish and unsubstantiated claim. If anything, 2e is a sissified version of 1e. Oh, and don't forget it's the "politically correct" version. :dice:

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[Post 71]
Author : skathros
Date : 03-15-07 07:09 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Re-printing, at the very least, the rulebooks (B/X, RC, AD&D1E, any one, i'll take anything) isn't such a crazy idea. ICE seems to be doing well with its RM Classic line which is a re-print (and clean up) of RM II. ICE intends to only publish the core rule books for RM II (Arms/charecter/spell/gamemaster law). Who knows, maybe WotC/Hasbro could do the same?

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[Post 72]
Author : chatdemon
Date : 03-15-07 11:45 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

There are many gamers that refuse to believe the new has replaced the old, no matter the attitude of the "new breed" or the company that spawned them. 

Beside the point. WotC has replacement products, thus they no longer produce the old.

So, in essence, you're "position was attacked, on a gaming forum" because it was inane and just plain wrong.

Next time you want to start calling me names, do it to my face, I can take it.

But so we're clear on what I was responding to:

Each and every one of the games you mentioned has undergone changes and evolution and is no longer sold in original form by Hasbro. Each and every one of them.

Anyone who wanted to post about such things from an educated point of view might wish to poke around hasbro.com where they have "history of" pages for every game you mentioned.

So, the situation is, the original versions are gone, just as with D&D. Unlike D&D, the changes to the boardgames aren't big enough to warrant name changes. So, in closing, I was correct, you are still wrong, despite whatever whining you want to do on other forums.

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[Post 73]
Author : Doomsmoker
Date : 03-16-07 06:57 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Come on guys this forum isn't here for bashing the old and new. I grew up with 2nd edition and still play it to this day. 3.5 is great too, but when some of our old group gets together we usually play 2nd edition because its what we've done since middle school. Good times and fond memories.

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[Post 74]
Author : e7way
Date : 03-16-07 12:09 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

i would buy any and all of the old school modules

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[Post 75]
Author : Zudrak
Date : 03-16-07 01:33 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Beside the point. WotC has replacement products, thus they no longer produce the old.

So, in essence, you're "position was attacked, on a gaming forum" because it was inane and just plain wrong.

Next time you want to start calling me names, do it to my face, I can take it.

But so we're clear on what I was responding to:

Each and every one of the games you mentioned has undergone changes and evolution and is no longer sold in original form by Hasbro. Each and every one of them.

Anyone who wanted to post about such things from an educated point of view might wish to poke around hasbro.com where they have "history of" pages for every game you mentioned.

So, the situation is, the original versions are gone, just as with D&D. Unlike D&D, the changes to the boardgames aren't big enough to warrant name changes. So, in closing, I was correct, you are still wrong, despite whatever whining you want to do on other forums.

1) The forum where I was posting linked me to this thread.  I was not hiding.
2) The post there that you address was sarcastic.
3) I should not have joined in besmirching your name.
4) I should have kept my original post to one paragraph:

I would buy the original D&D, "Basic"/BECMI D&D, and original AD&D material if it were made available once again. As stated before, to prevent a generation of gamers from buying that which started it all is just plain wrong.

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[Post 76]
Author : myusernameis
Date : 03-16-07 09:58 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

You have my word for it, I started in 3rd ed, but I do think republishing the old books would be a hoot.

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[Post 77]
Author : khaos_1162
Date : 03-19-07 11:15 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

i'm all for the reprinting of the older modules

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[Post 78]
Author : Papasloth
Date : 03-21-07 01:03 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree!! I would love to see the oldies, but goodies back in print.  That Doesn't mean I would shy away from buying new material either!

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[Post 79]
Author : Waylander39
Date : 03-23-07 05:56 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would definitely buy any reprinted material, it's a struggle now to find stuff, and I'm having to hunt it all down in PDF format, which is fine up to a point, but I would like to have it in my hand rather than read it off a screen.

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[Post 80]
Author : Treymordin
Date : 03-23-07 08:34 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Has there been any update on this petition?

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[Post 81]
Author : TheDarkLord
Date : 04-02-07 02:43 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

This is the reason I came to the Out of Print boards to begin with.

Unlike most people here, I grew up on ADnD 2E and matured into DnD with 3.0 and 3.5.  While I love the style I am playing now I currently found a book of mine I thought I had sold to help me get started on 3.0. The 2E DMG. 

I would change the petition for Wizards to instead of printing books, to print a CD with a compilation of ALL of the 2E ADnD material that they currently have.  I would buy that in a heartbeat.  

I have had a craving to play 2E for about 3 months now, but finding books that aren't used and not paying out the arse for them is becoming a bit of a conundrum.

Now if anyone could help me out with this I'd be interested in doing it.  My players have all played ADnD in their lifetime but none of them own any books for it and I was thinking about running a few One shots just to shake things up a bit.  

A 2E complete ruleset or something like that for free would be even better IMHO since, in reality, they are not going to print any more 2E style books, especially with the rampant rumors of 4E running around the boards these days.

I might end up being like some of you in regards I may be stuck on 3.5 the rest of my life :D.   4E doesn't sound appealing, much like some of you in which 3.0 didn't find appealing whatsoever ;).

My second post in the Out of Print section, I hope I get to have more post's here in the future :D.

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[Post 82]
Author : Higmorton
Date : 04-02-07 06:51 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Well, as I stated earlier. I hope they reprint the old material.

It out there and they have it in their vaults.  
Drow of the Underdark wil be out next month for 3.5.

So they are just converting old material which we all enjoy tothe newer version, and doubling the cover price.

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[Post 83]
Author : dontheox
Date : 04-03-07 11:24 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Wizards of the Coast,

I support this petition to the fullest extent possible. Were you to reprint the older materials, I would like very much to replace my tattered copies of the following:

*snip*


DITTO! BRING IT!

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[Post 84]
Author : Elendur
Date : 04-03-07 12:35 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Wizards has reprinted old material before.  In 1999, they put out a 25th anniversary set that included a reprinted basic book, keep on the borderlands, and a bunch of classic 1e modules.  They even included a previously unpublished 1e module!  I was very excited to find this product.  Strange though I found it new in shinkwrap in a gamestore, at a drastic discount, 4 years later.

I can't imagine why they didn't do more of that.  I guess Wizards doesn't like money.

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[Post 85]
Author : TheDarkLord
Date : 04-03-07 03:48 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I can't imagine why they didn't do more of that.  I guess Wizards doesn't like money.

I'm just takin' a wild stab at it of course, but the majority of the people I know who play, play DnD 3.x.  And from what I've been told, a greater majority of people in general now play DnD 3.x.

That said, I still think it would be cheaper to offer a series of CD/PdF's that contain entire rulesets, adventures, Kits, and whatnot that could be bought directly off of Hasbro's website.

Books are very expensive to put into print, CD's on the other hand can be burned quickly and are relatively cheap.  You'd just be paying basically for a person to compile a complete list of works on a computer for the most part.

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[Post 86]
Author : Varl
Date : 04-03-07 04:36 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I can't imagine why they didn't do more of that.  I guess Wizards doesn't like money.

Heh. I like Wizard's money. It's been accruing nicely in my checking account since Y2K. :P :$$: 

DDMs don't count.

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[Post 87]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 04-05-07 01:18 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

OK, I've given up on trying to keep from contributing to discussion (rather than mere support) in this thread. (^_^)

I'm just takin' a wild stab at it of course, but the majority of the people I know who play, play DnD 3.x.  And from what I've been told, a greater majority of people in general now play DnD 3.x.

Sure. But I'd be willing to bet that more people play out-of-print (A)D&D than some games that are in-print.

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[Post 88]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 04-05-07 01:24 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Good point, Robert.:rimshot:

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[Post 89]
Author : TheDarkLord
Date : 04-05-07 01:50 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Sure. But I'd be willing to bet that more people play out-of-print (A)D&D than some games that are in-print.

Yep, I'm going to have to agree as well ;).

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[Post 90]
Author : 3rdEditionSUCKS
Date : 04-18-07 12:54 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I wish they would allow people to write material for 1st edition and/or second edition. It is one of my dreams to write/sell a module. As of right now you can do this with the required licenses, but only for 3.5 edition and there is no way in **** I would do that. :noway:
Amazing how the building blocks of ALL rpg's can just be discontinued. What the **** are they thinking?! :rant: 
Wizards, bring back the books for all of the people who MADE your company.
...........please?:bigeyes:

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[Post 91]
Author : orgcandman
Date : 04-18-07 10:51 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

signed!

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[Post 92]
Author : Robespierre
Date : 04-26-07 02:23 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I got into D&D after 3rd ed. came out. I was introduced to AD&D 2nd Ed. and it was me who introduced the others to 3rd ed.(don't hate me for what I did, I already hate myself for it!) However, not long after being introduced to AD&D, the group split up and I had to live withy 3rd ed. as I didn't have access to 2nd.

While the older gamers have nostalgia for the good old days, I have it for my first introduction to the game, my first campaign. I would love to see a reprinting, and even though it would cost over $100 for me, in Aus, I would gladly pay it, cursing WoTC for their prices, but I would pay it. I don't know why, but even apart from the 'good old days' nostalgia, there is just something so great about the old game, maybe it was the fat that there wasn't just a Fort save against all, but a save Vs -random effect here-, maybe it was just the simple THAC0? or even the 18/00 str? All I know is I want it, and I don't want to have to order it from wizards, but get it from a gaming shop!

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[Post 93]
Author : tenacious_kev
Date : 04-26-07 03:29 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Bring back 1st edition.

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[Post 94]
Author : DoctorRomulus
Date : 04-26-07 04:22 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Here here!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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[Post 95]
Author : TuathaDeDanaan
Date : 05-02-07 04:11 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I like the concept in principle, however I seriously cannot envision WotC reintroducing *any* older material since it will obviously take market away from the current edition (3.5). A company is not going to tolerate competition from other entities and least of all "internal competition." 

However, I must emphatically recommend that WotC rescans the 1e PDFs (as those available on rpgnow and drivethrurpg, improving the quality of the scans, making sure pages are displayed STRAIGHT (i.e. not askew), and double-checking to make sure all pages (including any maps) are not missing. This would certainly meet with the approval of all interested parties seeking to acquire 1e documentation. I have purchased almost all 1e PDF's currently available and am disappointed by the uniformly poor quality. An upgrade would be most welcomed by the RPG community. Just my 2 bits.

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[Post 96]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 05-02-07 12:57 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I like the concept in principle, however I seriously cannot envision WotC reintroducing *any* older material since it will obviously take market away from the current edition (3.5).

That is far from obvious to me. I don't know anyone who is buying the latest Complete Whatever or Such-&-such Compendium because they can't buy the original Fiend Folio instead.

On the other hand, I do know people who aren't buying Wizards products who would buy reprints, & I do know people who would buy both new Wizards products and reprints.

A company is not going to tolerate competition from other entities and least of all "internal competition."

Right. Which is why they created the SRD, OGL, & d20L.

(Though a backing away from the d20L at any time wouldn't surprise me. But they haven't yet.)

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[Post 97]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 05-02-07 06:08 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree with Robert! I, for one, have zero interest in 3rd Ed. and I know several folks who feel the same, plus several who do both. I think WotC is "leaving money on the table" so to speak by not republishing the OOP stuff.

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[Post 98]
Author : IamRebis
Date : 05-06-07 01:55 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Oh please, oh please...

  The ones I miss the most are the UK modules.  I have most/all of them, but some have turned up missing in a couple moves I've made in the last few years.

  "All That Glitters" is one I want badly, since it would be an easy fit for an expedition to Xendrik in my Eberron campaign...

  I'm already planning on using "When A Star Falls", "The Sentinel", and "The Gauntlet" in a campaign set in Karrnath, And it was great finding them in one of my old gaming boxes...

  "Drums on Fire Mountain" seems tailor made to fit into the Savage Tide series...

  "Eye of The Serpent" just totally rocks.  I have run that module 4 or 5 times, sometimes to the same people, repopulated it differently, and it has been enjoyed by my players every time.

  And I wish that "Night's Dark Terror" could be updated to 3.5 And re-released.  Best. Module. Ever.


  - Rebis

  PS:  I'm not wishing this so much for myself, since I have most of them in hardcopy and can pick up the others as PDF's from Paizo.com, but I'd like to see them re-released for the new gamers who have never seen them, or Roger Cruz's incredible mapwork.

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[Post 99]
Author : Meepo
Date : 05-06-07 10:28 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in as well!  I think reprinting the B/X rules for nostalgia purposes could be a gold mine!  I know I'd be in for three full sets, minimum!

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[Post 100]
Author : Ridian
Date : 05-07-07 08:17 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I was originally introduced to D&D through 3.5Ed and played throuhg the basic game.Then I moved to a group which used 1stEd and 2ndEd.Now,having played the older editions,I look back at the rules for 3.5 and just laugh.....

Given the chance, I would easily end up spending alot of money on reprinted materials (Books,modules,character sheets,etc).
Hell I'd even really enjoy the CD idea or simply getting a good quality PDF of them.

One last idea they could do that I would be GREATLY awaiting would be new modules("Adventures" now?) with stats and other encounter information listed in both 3.5Ed and OlderEd.I recently got hold of 2 recent Adventures with plans of converting them to 1stEd to run with my friends and I was able to convert them easily enough,though with the two edition  module idea,it would make it that much easier,as well as help with things that are difficult to compare between the two.

So this petitition has my signature.
And I know several others who'd agree with me.

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[Post 101]
Author : atlarman
Date : 05-25-07 01:59 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Yesssssss Please!!!!!  ***epspecially Rules Cyclopedia/ Creature Catalouge (green Ac 9)

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[Post 102]
Author : atlarman
Date : 05-25-07 02:04 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

WotC, please consider reprinting the old editions. If it were not for our love of the original games, 3.5 would not exist. It is built upon our backs & our backs alone! We, the lovers of the old school game, where an armor class of -10 meant you were nigh invicible! We who enjoyed the limited character concepts because they were archetypal! Where there were no such things as 600th level half golem, half dragon wizard/Warrior/Basketweavers! 

In an age of incredible video games, cell phones, Ipod's, & a whole host of other eletronic wizardry, where will the 3.5 players be 20 years from now? Will they have the staying power of the old school gamers? The dedication? Dare I say it, the love?

Only fools throw away Gold to hoard Lead!
amen bro!

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[Post 103]
Author : hento
Date : 05-25-07 08:28 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in!

:bounce:

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[Post 104]
Author : Elendur
Date : 05-25-07 05:40 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Out of curiosity, how much would people be willing to pay for these reprints?  Would you be willing to pay the current price per page of existing WotC product, for example 19.95 for a 64 page paperback, 9.95 for a 32 page module, etc?

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[Post 105]
Author : NorthsDefender
Date : 05-26-07 01:16 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I totally agree.
I would buy most 2nd Ed. Stuff.:$$:

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[Post 106]
Author : NorthsDefender
Date : 05-26-07 01:20 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'd like to add that Ive been introduced to AD&D with the 2nd Edition and will always favor it. And it has a total different focus than 3.0. There's no rivalry. It's ADVANCED Dungeons and Dragons after all and 3.0/3.5 is a really good fast to learn and quick to play version.

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[Post 107]
Author : Varl
Date : 05-26-07 09:30 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Out of curiosity, how much would people be willing to pay for these reprints?  Would you be willing to pay the current price per page of existing WotC product, for example 19.95 for a 64 page paperback, 9.95 for a 32 page module, etc?

There aren't many OOP items I don't already own, but there's a few modules I'd pay whatever they'd charged for a shot at reprints of certain very rare modules. You know, the ones on ebay for 100s of dollars. The tournament modules like Up the Garden Path, for example.

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[Post 108]
Author : awaken_D_M_golem
Date : 06-04-07 08:25 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Heh. Usually I'm hanging out on the CO-board, but ...

I've got a pile of 1stEd and 2ndEd stuff, and I loved it then, and I love it now.
That said, I am really jonesing for the earlier stuff.
Jessica Alba in chainmail bikini.
It's the word "chainmail" that gets me going (a little bit more than the other words).

So put me on the petition, signed : "Awaken Dungeon Master Golem"
 { ... only my mommy calls me that ... }


The transitions from one edition to the next weren't seamless, but close enough it didn't really bother me.
I like the idea of presenting ALL of the old material updated to the current game.
As a for-instance:
1st Edition Psionics stills bears the curse of the Overdeity formerly known as Gygax.
It functions almost like Gestalt in 3.5.
"Powers" advance just about like the Wilder.
Many of the spells/powers/whatever have been fully updated and even balanced.
The 5 attack modes are its own version of dispelling.
Etc.

Oh, and Psionics is core in 1st Edition. :)

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[Post 109]
Author : harperman976
Date : 06-09-07 10:36 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

i would also like to see the old stuff reprinted so i don't have to abuse the books i have now. as of now i am buying two of each copy so down the road my kids will be able to game with the books of course the get the beat up copys but if they reprinted the books they would get fresh new books. i know the put some pdf's for free download but there is just something about holding a gaming book and smelling the cheesepuffs and grease the is smeared on the pages from late night munching while gameing.

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[Post 110]
Author : poltergeist
Date : 06-17-07 09:01 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree.

I would love to have new AD&D 1st Edition books. Releasing the SRD's for those would be even MORE amazing ! !

I love the feeling of the old AD&D books. Call me an old fart but the new style of books and all just doesn't do it for me. Something about the rawness of the good old 1e gets my imagination going in a much better way.


So say we all.

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[Post 111]
Author : Sylban_Quin
Date : 06-18-07 03:45 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'm ALWAYS on the lookout for Oriental Adventures (1st edition, as there was never, to my knowledge, an official 2nd edition version), Al-Qadim, Planescape, Spelljammer, and the like, as well as other 'exotic' campaign sourcebooks.  I run a homegrown campaign world (Jaia), and love to tinker with various cultures, odd classes, and fantastic places that I can easily drop into my world.
Besides EBay, I look in old bookstores and Half-Priced Bookstores, and old Gaming/Comic shops, which are sadly becoming few and far between.

So YES, count my vote, please reprint vintage stuff!

On a side note, I'd like to see a website dedicated to homegrown gameworlds in general, where DMs can put their stuff out (maps, histories, variant races/classes, etc.) and get ideas from others, with links to individual sites as needed.  Anyone know of such a place?

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[Post 112]
Author : Treymordin
Date : 06-18-07 11:06 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

What is the count up to?

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[Post 113]
Author : MacrossSD
Date : 06-20-07 07:59 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I too would gladly sign the petition. I've got much of the 2e stuff on PDF from Paizo, but there's nothing like having a honest-to god book in your hand. I love both 2e and 3e for different reasons, and think that there ought to be enough room at the inn for both of them. 

Besides, WotC petered out on the PDF program before releasing a copy of the City of Greyhawk boxed set...

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[Post 114]
Author : tstailey
Date : 06-25-07 11:15 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE republish them all! Not just the books, but everything. I miss Greyhawk. I miss the giant games. I miss it all. I've been out of the game for about 20 years and I just bought a v3.5 players handbook. It just seems too complex now. Bring back the old stuff.

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[Post 115]
Author : jaseclimb7
Date : 06-28-07 12:32 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

oh yes, most definitely
i have been looking to buy original v1 AD&D DMG, PH, and MM, and I have found some good offers, but i would buy WotC v1 as well, maybe for my DM (his books have less spine then a horse fly)

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[Post 116]
Author : DragonMa15
Date : 07-09-07 11:14 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in for one more vote.  I would love to replace many of my aging modules and rule books. Any out of print eddition really.  

-Gregg

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[Post 117]
Author : MangleMart
Date : 07-10-07 02:05 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

i would love to buy the older editions as well. I really do like the d20 system to be honest. but ive played all the editions. I would like to convert alot of second and some first. 
but i dont belive wizards has the rights to publish some stuff. like the original rule set with hobbits and ents because of copyright. and i think theyd have to pay royalties to other poeple. and does wizards have the full licence from TSR to publish old material?

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[Post 118]
Author : Moorefallen
Date : 07-10-07 08:30 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree,

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[Post 119]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 07-11-07 08:55 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

and does wizards have the full licence from TSR to publish old material?

As I understand it, Wizards has full rights to almost all the old TSR stuff, & I think hardly anything is subject to royalties. (I think they specifically bought some remaining rights from some of the TSR pioneers, like Perren.)

The big exception being Dragon & Dungeon magazine content.

There is the Kenzer agreement (that allowed Kenzer to create Hackmaster) that we don't know the details of. There could be some provisions there that limit what Wizards can do with the older material, but there's been no indication of such.

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[Post 120]
Author : Dystopia
Date : 07-11-07 07:32 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in aswell. Id love to see reprints and new material for OD&D,AD&D and AD&D2nd.

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[Post 121]
Author : rubermavors
Date : 07-12-07 07:53 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would love to purchase additional 1st and 2nd edition materials and even replace some stuff that i bought second hand which is in poor condition but i wanted it anyhow.

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[Post 122]
Author : Me, Myself, &amp; 101 others
Date : 07-14-07 02:58 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

My second edition books are all still in pretty good shape, but I'd love to see the campaign books (greyhawk, Al-Qadim, ect) reprinted because I never got a chance to get all them.  I also don't have much in the way of core D&D, or fist ed AD&D either.  

I don't much care the format, SRD, downloadable PDF, reprinted books, it all works.

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[Post 123]
Author : little_wierd_willie
Date : 07-22-07 05:57 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree completly, they should bring back the Core rules and its suppliments.  I would particularly like for them to republish the Imortal Rules.  That suppliment itself can be conciderd extinct, I can't find it any where!!!!

    I also agree that WofC has done a fine job (even though I don't like 3rd Edd.) and they deserve Cu-Does for there efforts.  However they must see the ongoing demand for the re-printing of the Core Rules, alls they have to do is read there mail to see it!!

    I'm thinking that when Mr. Gygaxx sold it to WofC he didn't want them to change it, and thats why they came out with 3rd Edd. instead = loop-hole!!

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[Post 124]
Author : Graazzt
Date : 07-31-07 07:41 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree totally that it would be cool to be able to easily buy the old stuff again even if I have most of it already and actually quite a few stuff times two! In Sweden I guess most people have adopted 3.0/3.5 so I actually can not even get rid of my old stuff unless I almost give it away. Insane since there a loads of the old stuff that is really good.

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[Post 125]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 07-31-07 11:26 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'm thinking that when Mr. Gygaxx sold it to WofC he didn't want them to change it, and thats why they came out with 3rd Edd. instead = loop-hole!!

By the way, Gygax was forced out of TSR many years before Wizards bought TSR. Gygax was gone before second edition AD&D was released.

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[Post 126]
Author : smcrey1
Date : 08-07-07 12:00 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree that old material should be reprinted for todays market. Dungeons and dragons has a very long history that should not be ignored. I would buy new reprintings of books.

Phillip McReynolds

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[Post 127]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-07-07 11:04 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

By the way, Gygax was forced out of TSR many years before Wizards bought TSR. Gygax was gone before second edition AD&D was released.

Moreover, at least one employee of TSR from those days has substantiated to me the rumor that part of the reason for the D&D/AD&D split was to isolate what Arneson could lay claim to. Likewise, part of the impetus behind 2e seemed to be exorcising Gygax's ghost.

3e may have been the only edition that was primarily motivated by a desire to improve the game. (Whether you think they succeeded or not.)

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[Post 128]
Author : kengar
Date : 08-10-07 09:01 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'd be thrilled to see the old OOP back in hard copy. But I'd be happy with a more complete library of clean, legal PDFs.

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[Post 129]
Author : WizO_Sinister
Date : 08-10-07 09:06 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

There's some stuff I'd like to pick up as well but honestly in todays horrid RPG market reprinting books isn't a good option.

Most likely some online alternative is the best we could hope for.

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[Post 130]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-10-07 12:58 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

There's some stuff I'd like to pick up as well but honestly in todays horrid RPG market reprinting books isn't a good option.

Most likely some online alternative is the best we could hope for.

Perhaps.

But Far Future still seems to be selling reprints despite having finally come out with a digital option.

For (A)D&D, we pretty much already have the online alternative. It could be better, of course, but I'm pretty happy that we have what we have.

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[Post 131]
Author : jasper
Date : 08-14-07 02:21 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

How about you hire a lawyer who specializes in publishing market, and see how much money Wotc wants to sell the rights and what limitations of those rights to 1e, 2e, basic etc?
Considering I have heard classic Beetles songs used to sell products never underestimate the power of the $ to get what you want.

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[Post 132]
Author : kengar
Date : 08-14-07 02:24 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

How about you hire a lawyer who specializes in publishing market, and see how much money Wotc wants to sell the rights and what limitations of those rights to 1e, 2e, basic etc?
Considering I have heard classic Beetles songs used to sell products never underestimate the power of the $ to get what you want.

The trouble there might be that they all carry the "Dungoens & Dragons" brand name. Selling the rights to "old" D&D while hanging on to the rights for "new" D&D sounds tricky.

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[Post 133]
Author : DCAnderson
Date : 08-14-07 06:05 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

The game Hackmaster is pretty much a reprint of old AD&D but with the names changed. Apparently they're allowed to get away with it because it's a "parody" but it's really just the same thing.

And then there's eBay.

Beyond that I don't honestly see it as a safe financial move for Wizards to reprint an "outdated" rpg.

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[Post 134]
Author : jasper
Date : 08-15-07 10:33 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

how about Advanced D&D as line. Or a name change for the line. After all Datsun is still producing trucks under a new name.

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[Post 135]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-15-07 02:26 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

The game Hackmaster is pretty much a reprint of old AD&D but with the names changed. Apparently they're allowed to get away with it because it's a "parody" but it's really just the same thing.

No. They have been safe because they had a license from Wizards. That parody was part of the agreement is just a detail.

Now that Kenzer's license has expired, I would not be surprised if Wizards either made another licensing deal with someone else or did something with the older material themselves.

Beyond that I don't honestly see it as a safe financial move for Wizards to reprint an "outdated" rpg.

Doesn't your own citation of HackMaster--if nothing else--make clear that there is a market for the older material? And there is other evidence to cite.

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[Post 136]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-15-07 02:30 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

How about you hire a lawyer who specializes in publishing market, and see how much money Wotc wants to sell the rights and what limitations of those rights to 1e, 2e, basic etc?
Considering I have heard classic Beetles songs used to sell products never underestimate the power of the $ to get what you want.

Oh, the things I could do if I had the capital.

Scratch that, I know who to go to to get the capital. Oh, the things I could do if I had the entrepreneurial spirit.

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[Post 137]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 08-15-07 05:24 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Doesn't your own citation of HackMaster--if nothing else--make clear that there is a market for the older material? And there is other evidence to cite.

Like this thread, for instance. Let's hope WotC are inspired by this and the "Whatever happened to 2nd Ed" thread to see the profit potential still in the older editions! 

It's just like the complaint department....For every complaint you get you can count on 10 more disgruntled patrons who didn't take the time to complain.  In this case, for every one of us who have found this site and take the time to write in about it, I'll bet there are 10-20 folks out there who feel the same. When you factor in the people who don't know about this site but feel the same way, the numbers could get pretty staggaring.:rimshot:

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[Post 138]
Author : Crimhthan_The_Great
Date : 08-17-07 08:13 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Moreover, at least one employee of TSR from those days has substantiated to me the rumor that part of the reason for the D&D/AD&D split was to isolate what Arneson could lay claim to. Likewise, part of the impetus behind 2e seemed to be exorcising Gygax's ghost.

3e may have been the only edition that was primarily motivated by a desire to improve the game. (Whether you think they succeeded or not.)


Emphasis added!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I hate to break the sad news to you, but there was no such desire, the only motivation was making money.;) Remember a corporation has one only purpose and one purpose only and that is to make money. But don't take my word for it, go talk to a dozen CEO's to confirm it.

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[Post 139]
Author : havard
Date : 08-17-07 09:31 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Emphasis added!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: I hate to break the sad news to you, but there was no such desire, the only motivation was making money.;) Remember a corporation has one only purpose and one purpose only and that is to make money. But don't take my word for it, go talk to a dozen CEO's to confirm it.

Could they have thought that "if we make the game better, then perhaps more people will like it, so we will make more money"?

Ofcourse, there was also the catering to old school gamers such as the inclusion of Barbarians and Half-Orcs and making Greyhawk the default setting, also ofcourse to make money, which seems to have failed given the general attitude of old schoolers.

They might actually have been better off leaving those things out of the game...

Havard

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[Post 140]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-17-07 01:11 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I hate to break the sad news to you, but there was no such desire, the only motivation was making money.;)

If that were the case, they wouldn't have risked an R&D effort at all & just figured out how to pump the brand & existing IP for all it was worth before setting it out to pasture & concentrating 100% on the CCGs that were bringing in the real bucks.

Yeah, I've worked for companies where the only motivation really was profit. Most companies are actually motivated by profit + an ideal.

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[Post 141]
Author : Crimhthan_The_Great
Date : 08-17-07 09:48 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Like I said, if you believe that the creation of 3E/3.5E or now the creation of 4E has anything even remotely to do with a desire to make the game better, then it is beholden to you to explain and justify how something was created that is so completely unrelated to anything even remotely connected to the spirit of the original game.

The 1974 game was for people who had read widely in the fantasy genre and who had enough imagination to create their own world and play in it.

By the time 3E/3.5E came along the target audience had shifted from intelligent reasonably well-educated young adults, college students and adults to video game junkies who could barely read the over priced books they were asked to buy and who had no literary background to help them put anything in any context, so the books were expanded to leave no room for imagination.

Now 4E is here, designed for the 5 sec attention span of the ritalin junkie generation who can only sit and stare with a blank look on their faces as they drool occasionally.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[Post 142]
Author : RobertFisher
Date : 08-17-07 11:02 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Like I said, if you believe that the creation of 3E/3.5E or now the creation of 4E has anything even remotely to do with a desire to make the game better, then it is beholden to you to explain and justify how something was created that is so completely unrelated to anything even remotely connected to the spirit of the original game.

Simple. Because the current designers think a completely different spirit than the original game is better. I may not agree with them, but I don't doubt that they honestly feel theirs is the best direction for the game today.

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[Post 143]
Author : Crimhthan_The_Great
Date : 08-18-07 11:08 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Could they have thought that "if we make the game better, then perhaps more people will like it, so we will make more money"?

Ofcourse, there was also the catering to old school gamers such as the inclusion of Barbarians and Half-Orcs and making Greyhawk the default setting, also ofcourse to make money, which seems to have failed given the general attitude of old schoolers.

They might actually have been better off leaving those things out of the game...

Havard

To stick to the facts, Barbarians, Half-Orcs and Greyhawk as a default setting is not Old School gaming. Old School gaming is OD&D where Barbarians did not exist as a PC option unless a Referee house ruled one in, Half-Orcs also did not exist at all unless a Referee house ruled them in, Old School gaming did not have either of these as an official PC option. Greyhawk was not a default setting in OD&D, that happened well after people had departed from Old School gaming. The expectation of the creators of D&D and the Old School gaming way was to come up with your own settings, your own, not someone else's.

Old School gaming is about rules light and imagination and creativity. Old School gaming is about the Ref creating, usually on the fly and by the seat of the pants. There was not ever in any way any catering to Old School gamers by WotC. The thought most likely was, "If we dumb the game down, remove imagination and creativity as a requirement for playing, maybe more people will buy it and we will make more money." The fact that they were destroying the game in the process was irrevelant.

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[Post 144]
Author : Crimhthan_The_Great
Date : 08-18-07 11:12 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Simple. Because the current designers think a completely different spirit than the original game is better. I may not agree with them, but I don't doubt that they honestly feel theirs is the best direction for the game today.

I do not believe that it is possible that anyone could be so self-deceived as to believe that anything about 3E/3.5E or now 4E is better than the original game. The current game (3E/3.5E/4E) does not have a completely different spirit, it has no spirit. The spirit was removed, destroyed, demolished, it no longer exists.

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[Post 145]
Author : Apercu
Date : 08-19-07 02:05 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Well, since I finally signed up for this forum at Gencon (wanted to get the insider updates on 4.0), I'll sign this petition.  By the way, I like the art they have shown for 4.0.  With that logo, it looks very old school to me.  They are doing Basic for this deal, more in the Moldvay type style this time, or so Chris mentioned.

Anyway, I have many B, X, CM and M mods I want to get, so I would love to see prints available.  On the used market, some of these are way too high.  I want copies, not pdfs.  Now, I know that the old stuff will probably never get offered up by Wizards as they are going more digital.  The printed stuff is reserved for 4.0.

However, why couldn't they do a print on demand deal through lulu or their own service?  People who wanted the old stuff could get it printed, and it wouldn't cost Wizards.  Only what was wanted would get printed, and Wizards could make money off of each sale.  

I know it could be done, but would Wizards let it be done?  I don't see it as competition because 4.0 would be what was on the store shelves and print on demand would be for the old stuff.  Just thought I'd put this up in case The Wizards are looking at this corner of the forum.

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[Post 146]
Author : Mindie
Date : 08-27-07 09:32 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would enjoy to get me hands on a printed 1st Ed AD&D, the Gygax Era that is now just thrown away 

Gygax and Arneson created D&D and AD&D, and so I want "their" works in me hands. I've got the "Silver anniversary miniature re-release" books, but... it's quite hard to read them, and they wouldn't hold their ground if I were to use them for actual gaming.

So please, WotC, do something good for once, and make a "print on demand" version, and mayhaps a "watermarked PDF" version for printage by the buyer. The "Ready printed" could go for something, and the watermarked PDF would be cheaper (as the printing costs would be on the consumer, not Hasbro)

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[Post 147]
Author : Artur
Date : 09-11-07 04:43 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'll add my vote for reprints as well.  Whether print on demand, or a limited run omnibus version of the DMG, PHB, and MM from 1E, I think it would be great.  Just please, please don't edit anything.  If by some remote chance something like this happens, just reprint the material.

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[Post 148]
Author : Apercu
Date : 09-11-07 08:46 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I remember watching this thread with interest to see where it would go.  Didn't finally post on the thread until after going to Gencon, where I finally joined the forum.  Not sure if the thread starter is even looking at this point.  I thought briefly early on that he might start some sort of movement, but I'm sure the thrashing he took on at least one other forum convinced him it wasn't worth it.  It probably would have convinced me.

When I signed here earlier, I suggested Print On Demand may be the way to go, where Wizards won't lose money on a deal like that.  That's up to them, of course.  With 4e coming, do they even care about this thread in a section that discusses out of print stuff they own, but had nothing to do with creating?  I think we all know the answer to that, though we signed in the hopes it might make a difference, a real "Hail Mary" sort of prayer maybe.

The fact is there are other efforts going on out there to take up the slack for those who want the old style of game.  I'm not sure it's appropriate to post what they are for a couple reasons, and the fact that this is a Wizards forum is a good enough reason for me not to.  A good place to start is a forum where AD&D fans gather, and you can find that with a simple search.

Anyway, I'm rambling again...

Maybe they will hear our pleas, and maybe they won't.  This thread has stayed pretty civil, and that's a good thing.  They will be more likely to pay attention that way.  If you know anybody who wants what this thread seeks to get, get them to join and post.  It's not going to hurt the effort to get more names.  Let's keep it civil and not get negative about current products or any of that.

I have looked back at all of the posts here, and unofficially, we now have 97 people in favor of this thread's cause.  Might have been more, but some posts were pulled for violating forum rules.  That's why we need to keep it civil.  Loving the old doesn't mean you have to hate the new, at least in a post on this thead.  :D 

Congratulations exorb.  97 people support the cause.  May not sound like much, but it's not that bad either.  Who wants to sign next?  Who will be 100?

Thought you all might like to know.

Carry On and keep rolling those 20's :cool:

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[Post 149]
Author : froglegg
Date : 09-18-07 10:03 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

From a money point of vew if they do something like this they could clean up at the banks. Some will say you can get 1st edition down loads for your cpu...
and then print them out....Bump that I want books and such like in my hands I am just old school like that I guess. Even if I already have 5 1st edition PHB I would get more so I could use them and not worry about a cut page or what ever happens with normal use. The sad part is we all know that this is just a dream that will never happen no matter how much we may want it too.
But what a dream it is huh?

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[Post 150]
Author : Tharos
Date : 09-19-07 10:54 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I completely agree. It is my belief that the d20 system is dangerously over simplified and I'd like to have access to a system I can work with.

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[Post 151]
Author : tagnostic
Date : 09-27-07 10:54 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

As would I, but hopefully it would go beyond reprinting classic modules.  WotC could actually make some money by supporting these earlier works with new material.

I'm there, I'm tired of cruising the used bookstores only to find copies in worse shape than some I've had since the late 70's. Especially the boxed sets.

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[Post 152]
Author : Vrykolas2k
Date : 09-28-07 01:36 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Yes, please!
There may yet be some obscure something from the older editions I don't have yet...

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[Post 153]
Author : OrionDariusSilverbane
Date : 09-29-07 05:35 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in; I for one have not purchased any WOTC material since August 2001 which was Dragon Magazine Issue #286; Mainly due to the fact that I personally don't care for Dungeons & Dragons 3.0 or 3.5 Editions or Material. I would gladly purchase product from 2nd Edition though. I have always wondered why WOTC having the ability to capture the full Market Share with the Dungeons & Dragons has never done so. That to me is like having a room before you with millions of dollars in revenue in it and instead of taking it you choose to walk away from it. The support of these products is self evident, just go do a search at any given time for Resale of out of print editions.

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[Post 154]
Author : tarjmov
Date : 10-02-07 05:42 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree.
I would especially like to see the Encliclopedia Magica and Wizard's and Priest's spell compendiums back.
Thanks!

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[Post 155]
Author : HumanTorch
Date : 10-08-07 10:59 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Well, I'm for reprints!


Original 3 Book Box (Men & Magic, Monsters & Treasure and Underworld & Wilderness)
SUPPS (I-IV)
DMG (original cover)
MM (original cover)
PHB (original cover)
DEI&DEM (original cover)
UA (get a new cover by Trampier)



There. Now how hard can that be?

;)

As an aside, I have no interest in the current line's style and flavor but if they went back to the style when Gary Gygax was there (70's/early 80's) I'd be willing to check out new products as well spread the word.

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[Post 156]
Author : Jack Daniel
Date : 10-09-07 11:23 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Do we really need the reprints, though?  Between OSRIC (http://www.knights-n-knaves.com/osric/) and Castles & Crusades (http://www.trolllord.com) for AD&D, and Labyrinth Lord (http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm) and Basic Fantasy RPG (http://www.basicfantasy.org/main.html) for OD&D, you can already obtain some pretty good "clone" games that are all more or less compatible with the old material.  And since these games all use the OGL and the SRD, new stuff is already coming out for them.

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[Post 157]
Author : HumanTorch
Date : 10-09-07 12:24 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Definitely not everyone who is book savvy is "e-savvy". There's an entire new generation missing out. You can't put a computer file in a shop. Besides the Gygax versions are very seminal. Everything currently published or using licenses grows off of that original series in some way but doesn't really have that originality. They just incorporate it into something else. They could even spin off an entire new series based on the original games. Calling it "classic" or some such name. Drag in some of the original designers. COUGH Gygax COUGH ;)

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[Post 158]
Author : Akiyama
Date : 10-15-07 07:27 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in! Luckily I managed to find a second hand 1st Edition DMG and PH a few years ago, to replace my old ones that were held together by sticky tape. I still need a new old Monster Manual though. And some of the old modules, and the couple of Gazetteers I don't have, and the Rules Cyclopedia . . . PDF isn't the same!

AD&D still seems to be quite popular. Going by the books tagged "RPG" on LibraryThing, the top 10 most owned games are:

1. D&D 3rd Edition
2. CoC
3. GURPS
4. Mage
5. AD&D 1st Edition
6. AD&D 2nd Edition
7. Star Wars
8. Vampire
9. Serenity
10. Unknown Armies

If I were in charge of WotC, I would test the water by printing copies of a small number of out-of-print products to see how they sell. If they do sell, proving that there's still a market for older editions (as I think there is) then I would go ahead and release SRDs for them, and continue reprinting older products as long as they remain profitable. After all, WotC is a business, and if there's money to be made they'd be fools to turn up their noses at it.

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[Post 159]
Author : Elendur
Date : 10-16-07 09:58 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

After all, WotC is a business, and if there's money to be made they'd be fools to turn up their noses at it.I think that about sums it up.

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[Post 160]
Author : Attila2
Date : 10-17-07 10:06 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy print copies of the c. 1981 Basic & Expert rulebooks. I would buy them to replace my own aging copies. I would buy them as gifts for my group. I would buy them as gifts to young people I wish to introduce to the hobby who I cannot personally mentor, as I have found no other product that I think does that job as well.


A agree and would do the same.  I would also buy reprints of the original AD&D core rulebooks.

Take note, I would be a new customer for WotC.  I tried 3e and don't care for it. I buy Cook/Moldvay Basic D&D/AD&D material because that's what I grew up with. No amount of improvement, changes or marketing will change this.  I will only buy reprints of the original AD&D material.

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[Post 161]
Author : branmakmuffin
Date : 10-19-07 08:27 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

A agree and would do the same.  I would also buy reprints of the original AD&D core rulebooks.
Isn't that Hackmaster?

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[Post 162]
Author : Attila2
Date : 10-21-07 02:44 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Isn't that Hackmaster?

Not interested. Want the books with the original cover and interior artwork.  I want the books out of nostalgia, not to play.

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[Post 163]
Author : pogrom666
Date : 10-25-07 03:26 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

WotC should definately reprint the original stuff. I would love to be able to take the old school Gygax written materials and actually be able to play them in my game, especially since I named the world that I've created Gygax.
Plus, really, I don't want to illegally download stuff. THAT is what will kill the game.

So please, Wizards of the Coast, give us the old stuff, give us the good stuff! :twocents:

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[Post 164]
Author : TheYeti1775
Date : 10-26-07 11:13 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Would love to see reprints of the Material.

Group them for a savings on your publication costs.

Orignal Booklets Book - Chainmail (6002) / Greyhawk (2003) / 
                                Blackmoor (2004) / Eldritch Wizardry (2005) /
                                Gods, Demi-gods & Heroes (2006) / 
                                Sword & Spells (2007)

Boxed Set book - Basic (1011) / Expert (1012) / Companion (1013) /
                        Master (1021) / Immortal Sets (1017)

And so on,
with the modules and accesories group them into books.
B series book - B1 - B12 & the BSOLO

Lord knows I would buy them.  Especially the Spelljammer stuff.

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[Post 165]
Author : JimBass
Date : 10-30-07 12:36 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Yes please! 

I came up as the AD&D 2nd edition came out. I have a particular attraction to that era.

I missed 3 and 3.5 to to life changes. I'll see what the 4th edition is like, but an official reprint/reissue of everything would be the cat's a$$.

I mowed lawns to get the books back then. Now gainfully employed, I'd love to get at everything!

Peace,
JimBass

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[Post 166]
Author : Oxlar
Date : 11-01-07 07:55 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I am Oxlar Helmstead and I approve this message.

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[Post 167]
Author : casimps1
Date : 11-01-07 08:09 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Aye! I'm all for reprints!

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[Post 168]
Author : Zenopus
Date : 11-04-07 11:50 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy reprints of the old D&D.  It makes sense.  It's like classic music.  Just because the band is playing different stuff now doesn't mean you can't get their old stuff on CD. It's groovy to listen to the influences of a band you like.  The old stuff is popular, that's why it sells for so much on ebay. I like the old stuff better than the new stuff.  There's a niche market there, worth at least a few million bucks...

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[Post 169]
Author : Vendar
Date : 11-05-07 12:12 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would love a reprint session.
Would spen a lot a cash,perhaps to much.

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[Post 170]
Author : Amon_V
Date : 11-08-07 03:29 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Oh Yes!  Definitely!!

-Signs Petition-
Amon V, Crown Prince of Drannor Principality.

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[Post 171]
Author : Slash_Z
Date : 11-20-07 09:18 AM
Thread Title : Yes!

Aye aye, captain! Count me in!

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[Post 172]
Author : 3_5EditionSucks
Date : 11-27-07 05:32 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

3_5 edition sucks signs.:bow:

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[Post 173]
Author : 1ed2edAreBetter
Date : 11-28-07 01:58 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

agree!  signed.

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[Post 174]
Author : Ghendar
Date : 11-28-07 07:24 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count me in :D 
Although I own most of the OOP D&D stuff that I want, I'd still like to see this happen so that others can be introduced to some great stuff that came before 3E.

Just because something isn't the "current" edition doesn't mean it has no value or is inferior. Contrary to what some say on this message board.

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[Post 175]
Author : richard_rahl
Date : 11-29-07 11:13 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'm in!!!

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[Post 176]
Author : bigbaddaddy
Date : 11-29-07 02:53 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would purchase the red, blue, teal, black, and gold books (or rules cyclopedia) to replace my aging copies. I would love to have an SRD and computer based character generator. I think this system was the best of all the versions and incarnations of the D&D game.

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[Post 177]
Author : Shadojack
Date : 12-04-07 03:11 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I'm IN! :)

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[Post 178]
Author : Gore
Date : 12-24-07 08:08 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

So...are we even scratching the surface yet?:confused:

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[Post 179]
Author : Varl
Date : 12-24-07 09:21 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

So...are we even scratching the surface yet?:confused:

Probably not. In all likelihood, this has been a pipe dream all along anyway. They won't waste resources on OOP editions no matter how great the demand.

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[Post 180]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 01-23-08 07:19 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

That's sad. I know I have two gaming groups playing 3 AD&D 2nd Ed. on alternate weeks as well as a Mechwaarrior game. Not one of them wants anything to do with the newer versions in any shape or form. It is obvious that there are quite a few people who are of similar mind.
I wonder if some of it is just pride on the part of WotC? That they can't admit the previous editions had so much going for them and that the current editions, for a lot of people just don't. Stubborn pride is one thing, when it has to do with goalline stands and so on... when it is costing a business money you would think they would see through that to the bottom line. If it is a fear of infringing on the popularity of the current versions, a brief look through the above responses should dissuade them of that! 
There was a thread about AD&D on here, too, that has disappeared. I really enjoyed it, too.:rimshot:

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[Post 181]
Author : Extempus
Date : 01-23-08 09:45 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

It has nothing to do with pride, I'm sure they don't give a damn that the previous system is better, they're only in it for the $$$.  That's all well and fine, and they'll always have new people introduced to the game religiously buying each and every new book that is published (and with the ridiculous prices they're going for these days, they're making a mint).  From the looks of things, they'll be releasing new editions about every 4-5 years now, either to "correct" the (almost certainly planned) errors of the latest edition, or claiming that they have something "better."  Be ready for the release of 4.5e around 2012 or so that will correct the errors of 4e...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  I'll be playing 1e till the day I die (and there are still plenty of old modules out there I don't have yet.  Ebay is a wonderful thing)...

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[Post 182]
Author : Oxlar
Date : 01-24-08 02:21 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I have a sneaking suspicion that 4th edition is going to toss the Role playing game of Dungeons & Dragons right into the toilet.  After seeing snipets of whats coming up, I don't think they will sell much beyond the initial push.  If people want to be hemmed into video game character builds, they will play a video game not a pen and paper game.  I honestly don't believe 4th will provide them with enough income to keep the license alive in the future.  

We can only hope they sell it to a company that wants to restore the traditions upon which the game was made.  It would only be a hole in the wall company by then as the market saturation will be so diluted and the deviation will be too great that the market base for any new product will be minimal.  But if they go back to the roots, they just might be able to acquire the older steadier market share.

Maybe someday we will once again have new resource material.  So WoTC releasing 4th may actually be a boon for us in the long run.

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[Post 183]
Author : Oxlar
Date : 01-24-08 02:25 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

That's sad. I know I have two gaming groups playing 3 AD&D 2nd Ed. on alternate weeks as well as a Mechwaarrior game. Not one of them wants anything to do with the newer versions in any shape or form. It is obvious that there are quite a few people who are of similar mind.
I wonder if some of it is just pride on the part of WotC? That they can't admit the previous editions had so much going for them and that the current editions, for a lot of people just don't. Stubborn pride is one thing, when it has to do with goalline stands and so on... when it is costing a business money you would think they would see through that to the bottom line. If it is a fear of infringing on the popularity of the current versions, a brief look through the above responses should dissuade them of that! 
There was a thread about AD&D on here, too, that has disappeared. I really enjoyed it, too.:rimshot:

Well I understand why they would never want to reprint anything other than their current versions.  They don't want to further saturate the market and create less of a focus on the current product.  It would splinter the game base for them even more.  Kind of like how 2nd ed had a LOT of different campaign settings and the client base became too diluted to support the main product lines back in the 90s.

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[Post 184]
Author : GorillaSpawn
Date : 01-25-08 12:41 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I support this petition to reprint OOP D&D books.

It is great to have PDFs, but it would be even better if we could buy 1e and basic D&D as print on demand titles. This would cost WOTC nothing out of pocket, and they might be surprised how much money they can make from people who would otherwise never buy their products.

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[Post 185]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 01-25-08 10:26 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

In response to Oxlar, let me just say that maybe "pride" was the wrong term and that insecurity might be substituted. I think they are hoping they are doing the right thing, are really afraid they aren't, and think if they admit to doing the wrong thing it will mean their jobs. It might just save their jobs and this type of gaming. The way corporate America works, though, is it's better to be wrong and seem like you are directing the path the company is taking, even if it is off a cliff: than to admit you made an error and publically try to correct it. I really don't see where the disipation would come from since most of us on this posting don't want anything to do with the current product, anyway!
And as for 2nd Ed diluting the base generated by 1st Ed. I started in 1st Ed. and played for years before 2nd Ed came out. At first, I tried to stick to 1st Ed. but the overwelming quality of 2nd Ed. eventually made it impossible to ignore. Now I play mostly 2nd Ed. as does my groups, with some things from First Ed. thrown in. Quite apart from dissipating what was there before, I personally feel it enhaced both the gaming experience and the interest generated in the genre...something 3.0, 3.5 and, appearantly 4.0 have failed to do, only drawing in the video gamers at the expense of the true RPG gamers. Making the 1st Ed., 2nd Ed. and Basic D&D available would only be "cashing in" on the gamers they abandoned and left behind. As I have mentioned before...what company is so profitable that it can just ignore a whole segment of their client base just to try to make a point?

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[Post 186]
Author : Oxlar
Date : 01-26-08 12:28 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I really don't see where the disipation would come from since most of us on this posting don't want anything to do with the current product, anyway!



Amen to that brutha!

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[Post 187]
Author : Ampolitor
Date : 01-26-08 12:18 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Can  Ijust say I would so love to buy the stuff from Birthright that I'm missing! I wish, that they would put out a updated hardcover of the world. IMO that was one of the best setting ever printed! I had so much fun with that one. Come on wizards, just one hardcover!!!! All you have to do is look at birthright.net and see the fan base!

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[Post 188]
Author : Dvalin
Date : 01-26-08 02:52 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree.

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[Post 189]
Author : RedWizard
Date : 01-26-08 04:10 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Count my vote.  I would love to see the all the old 1st ed. modules re-released.

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[Post 190]
Author : RealmsRunner
Date : 02-12-08 04:48 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Saying that I agree is a gross understatement, but.....I AGREE.

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[Post 191]
Author : Eonar
Date : 02-18-08 06:59 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Put my name on this!:D

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[Post 192]
Author : silverhawk
Date : 02-19-08 12:19 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I dare to say that WOTC won't even read this post.

But if they do I am all for the reprinting all ALL prior Editions of D&D, in a print on demand basis.  

Basically WOTC print 1000 and when it drops to 100 books left print 500 when that drops to 100 print 500 more. 

WOTC IMO DOES NOT REALLY CARE ABOUT D&D
All they CARE about is MONEY.

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[Post 193]
Author : tjhairball
Date : 02-21-08 06:04 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

With print-on-demand, it would not be difficult to reprint "vintage" classics, or combined volumes.

Modern digital print on demand actually can be printing in completely custom runs, not just on the order of 100s; bear in mind, however, these "vintage" books might be priced at $40 for a trade paperback sized glossy edition, even if WOTC did it in house, and simply finding and sorting out the old materials for printing might cost hundreds in labor per book.

Would you still buy them then?

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[Post 194]
Author : Horemheb442
Date : 02-21-08 09:14 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

With print-on-demand, it would not be difficult to reprint "vintage" classics, or combined volumes.

Modern digital print on demand actually can be printing in completely custom runs, not just on the order of 100s; bear in mind, however, these "vintage" books might be priced at $40 for a trade paperback sized glossy edition, even if WOTC did it in house, and simply finding and sorting out the old materials for printing might cost hundreds in labor per book.

Would you still buy them then?
Given inflation, that doesn't seem too far out from the original prices. I have all the 1st Ed. books but would like some more modules from that time. I have almost all of the black 2nd Ed books but am missing some of the "Complete Book of ..." series. While I have quite a bit in Al Quadim I would like to complete that, too. Let's see if they will offer them. I should be able to work my budget around that.

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[Post 195]
Author : Stonegiant81
Date : 03-28-08 04:26 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I think this would be great!

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[Post 196]
Author : grayface
Date : 04-14-08 10:53 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would also have to agree that seeing the old rules reprinted would be great.

They Should Definently Choose One of These To Bring Back:

D&D Basic/Expert Rules
AD&D First Edition

I would probably never actually play the old-old D&D pamphlet rules that spawned out of Chainmail, although this was indeed THE original D&D game, my appreciation for its reliance on the tabletop wargaming rules and my love of the updates made in later editions would hurt its playability.  Of course, I'd love to have a copy to read and hold as a collector piece.

Original Basic/Expert D&D?  Yes!  I would love to have this box set to play!  I can't think of a game that is more a RAW fantasy RPG, the whole system just feels like it belongs to the sort of "classic" fantasy settings I run in my games.

AD&D 1st?  This was the first version I ever played, and if I had ever owned the books I would have no doubt run games in the system myself.  I would buy this as quickly as I would the Basic/Expert set, its a classic game that should not be forgotten!

AD&D 2nd?  A great system, not terribly different from 1st when you get right down to it.  My friend actually owned these books before, and he gave them to me at one point... but then I gave them back after I bought 3rd edition and he sold them.  I most certainly wouldn't mind having these books back, I like 2nd a lot.  I would probably try to find the original books used/cheap before I'd pay full-price-again for the books, though.

D&D 3.0?  Heh.  I own lots of these books already, and 3.5 is too similar (the latter of which I've bought none).  A great system, but not a candidate for reprinting, when the edition that came after essentially entirely eclipsed it... and it still being essentially current-gen until fourth comes out!

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[Post 197]
Author : Bujio
Date : 04-15-08 02:39 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I Bujio sign this petition.

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[Post 198]
Author : cutsleeve
Date : 04-17-08 11:19 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would buy reprints of the older additions.

Particularly

The Classic Dungeons and Dragons Cyclopedia

and

1st edition

Players Handbook
Dungeon Masters Guide
Monster Manual
Monster Manual II
Deities & Demigods 
Dungeoneer's Survival Guide
Oriental Adventures
Unearthed Arcana
Wilderness Survival Guide

The pdf versions Wotc sells are nice but I would like to have a physical copy. Rather then my spendning my money to print the material I would spend my money on the better quality Wotc version.. There is enough of a market to reprint the older products.

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[Post 199]
Author : Etarnon
Date : 04-18-08 07:03 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Ebay, gents. I see 1e books going for dirt cheap, every day.

And this is the sheer irony:

D&D 5e = 1st ed AD&D.

There it is.

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[Post 200]
Author : xyzchyx
Date : 04-18-08 08:09 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Ebay, gents. I see 1e books going for dirt cheap, every day.

And this is the sheer irony:

D&D 5e = 1st ed AD&D.

There it is.Doubtful.  D&D appears to be progressing to playing more and more like a video game, with the DM acting primarily as an automaton, whose job seems to be little more than to ensure the rules are followed, rather than to creatively challenge the players.

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[Post 201]
Author : Etarnon
Date : 04-19-08 03:05 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

That's what I mean.  I've seen more 2e Games and 1e Games pop up this year than in the last three years combined. 

People are returning to the old ways, despite what "Those that bought out TSR" are calling "D&D."

Witness this thread.  People WANT the old books, the old stuff, the raw feel of what it was, back in the day.  It's a grass roots thing.

As long as people are playing the old stuff, D&D, and what it stands for isn't dead.

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[Post 202]
Author : xyzchyx
Date : 04-20-08 10:53 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

That's what I mean.  I've seen more 2e Games and 1e Games pop up this year than in the last three years combined. 

People are returning to the old ways, despite what "Those that bought out TSR" are calling "D&D."

Witness this thread.  People WANT the old books, the old stuff, the raw feel of what it was, back in the day.  It's a grass roots thing.Alas, we are a minority.... perhaps a vocal one, but a minority nonetheless.

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[Post 203]
Author : Handsome Stranger
Date : 04-20-08 11:04 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Alas, we are a minority.... perhaps a vocal one, but a minority nonetheless.

True, but on the bright side anecdotal local evidence suggests we outnumber those who prefer the alleged 4th edition.

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[Post 204]
Author : Erystelle
Date : 04-26-08 11:03 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I agree.

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[Post 205]
Author : Delyun
Date : 04-30-08 07:02 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I may be new to these forums.I have played D&d for along time. the one thing i can say is i had way more fun at 2nd ed than i ever did at third.

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[Post 206]
Author : ironwing
Date : 04-30-08 08:28 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

I would even though I still have all my old books.

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[Post 207]
Author : Vrykolas2k
Date : 04-30-08 12:00 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

It has nothing to do with pride, I'm sure they don't give a damn that the previous system is better, they're only in it for the $$$.  That's all well and fine, and they'll always have new people introduced to the game religiously buying each and every new book that is published (and with the ridiculous prices they're going for these days, they're making a mint).  From the looks of things, they'll be releasing new editions about every 4-5 years now, either to "correct" the (almost certainly planned) errors of the latest edition, or claiming that they have something "better."  Be ready for the release of 4.5e around 2012 or so that will correct the errors of 4e...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.  I'll be playing 1e till the day I die (and there are still plenty of old modules out there I don't have yet.  Ebay is a wonderful thing)...



No, 4.5 will be out in a year or two after the release of 4.0 and a few books...

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[Post 208]
Author : NoMan
Date : 05-06-08 11:05 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Publishing a series of books for a niche market of a niche market, with the possibility of confusing consumers who are new to the game or are completely uninvolved with the game but are looking to buy a gift for a gamer, just doesn't seem like a wise business move.

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[Post 209]
Author : Handsome Stranger
Date : 05-06-08 11:12 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Publishing a series of books for a niche market of a niche market, with the possibility of confusing consumers who are new to the game or are completely uninvolved with the game but are looking to buy a gift for a gamer, just doesn't seem like a wise business move.

And yet they're about to do just that for the third time.  :D

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[Post 210]
Author : Zaxon D'Mir
Date : 05-09-08 11:40 PM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

Doubtful.  D&D appears to be progressing to playing more and more like a video game, with the DM acting primarily as an automaton, whose job seems to be little more than to ensure the rules are followed, rather than to creatively challenge the players.

Dude, that's damn near poetry. But, most truthful.

3e took power away from the DM and 4e sure as hell ain't givin' it back. 

Older D&D editions will come back into vogue without the aid of WOTC. Just wait and see. Some of these video game geeks will hate 4e because it's too much like a video game they can play any ol' time. However, the older editions will be "new" to them, lacking that I'm based on a video game quality and thus proving intriguing and out of the ordinary. 4e may actually cause a backlash to the older editions. Prepare yourselves brothers and sisters, the retro-revolution awaits.

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[Post 211]
Author : Rosisha
Date : 05-10-08 02:49 AM
Thread Title : Re: Public petition to re-publish/re-sell all the original core books, + add SDRs

4e caused my backlash. I loved the 2nd Ed game, and often some of my fondest memories of growing up are related to it, or the friends I made around gaming tables (the only friends I still talk too).

the gaming I was involved in with 3.x is just.... not even worth commenting on. I can't think of any major campaign in 3.x I would want to remember,except the modifications of the original campaign setting that was our 2e world... which fell apart due to the "new greater system" and its stance on anything non-core.

So I'm going back to 2e. And I'm providing my own supplements and product lines! Rawr! :D

Rosisha

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