Dark Elves in Flanaess

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#1

zombiegleemax

Jul 24, 2003 23:40:19
Where do they live? Under what mountain? The Gazetteer lists elves as being High, Gray, Wild, Wood or Valley, it must say something about dark elves but i didnt found yet. Could anyone point me where they appear in the gazetteer? Or just some info about them, so i can bring some npc´s out of their cities (but i need to know where do those cities lies).

Thanks.

(btw, i just hate how 'Drow' sounds, looks like you just let something fall from your hand, it kicked twice in the ground and made this *drow* noise )
#2

cwslyclgh

Jul 25, 2003 1:04:44
they live in the underdark... the most detailed city of the dark elves in the world of greyhawk is Erelhei-Cinlu, the infamous Vault of the Drow which lies beneath the northern hell furnaces
#3

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 7:57:52
Souza - Sorry you won't find mention in the Gazetteer. On page 18 - first paragraph it lists drow as a race the Gazetteer does not cover.
Cwslyclgh is right, biggest drow city is in the northern Hellfurnaces.
Try going to Canonfire - hit search - type in drow - check out the listing "A Listing of Drow Vaults in the Flanaess". Hope that helps. Sorry I don't know how to set up a link here to Canon.
Good luck.
#4

zombiegleemax

Jul 25, 2003 8:27:00
To my knowledge there isnt a lot detailed on dark elf cities (but Erelhei Cinlu) in Greyhawk, however, I highly recommend the GDQ1-7 module which you can still either buy on Ebay or download off some sites that sell it as a pdf, that more or less the first definitive introduction of drow as a race into D&D.
I like them in that setting, theyre right rat-bastards, sneaky, conniving and out for world domination. Somehow those aspects of them seem to have been overshadowed by more contempory versions which depict them as being a lot more personally confrontational and discarded the subtlety and intrigue.
There is also a good write up on Erelhei Cinlu in Dragon Magazine #298 which goes into a bit more detail than the GDQ.

I guess if you are going to have a drow antagonist then PC's will more often than not meet a series of that particular elf's 'associates' and hirelings for some time before ever meeting their master/mistress who tells them what to do.
#5

Argon

Jul 25, 2003 16:32:50
Even though the Drow were an original GH race, I replaced them with the Derro. My main reason was that FR took everything Drow and SHOVED it down our throats repeatedly and their still going. As such I did'nt feel like the Drow were a pure GH race. The Derro are little used and work better, they are simply Dwarves so far removed from true Dwarven society.
It is also rumored that Magic's from the Suel Empire tainted the Derro and they have as much hatred for their own kind (dwarves) as they do for humans.
In my campaign the Derro have access to some of the forgotten Suloise magic's. This make's them a very dangerous breed, lucky for humans the Derro cannot function well in sunlight, so they are more often a menace amongst the underdark, were they belong.
I also decided to use only two sub-races of Elves in my campaign, one of which are the Valley Elves (Some tribes resemble Grey elves others resemble High Elves) and Grugach (Wild Elves). Keeping a more GH type of Elvin species instead of the same Generic elves present in FR.
If you have the Complete book of Elves, 2nd edition then you will enjoy my newest post to canonfire.com just look for it sometime next week.
#6

grodog

Jul 25, 2003 22:00:00
If you're looking for an excellent 3e version of Erelhei Cinlu, see Russell Bird's Oerth Journal article "Erelhei-Cinlu, Drow City of Pleasure" by Russell Bird. It appears in issue 14, downloadable from Canonfire! at http://www.greyhawkonline.com/OJ_14.pdf (this issue also contains my interview with Rob Kuntz, FYI, in addition to its other many wonders). The Oerth Journal is a free, fan publication, so you can't beat the price! :D

You can also check out Fred Weining's wonderful article "The Vault of the Drow: Dark Elf Metropolis" in Living Greyhawk Journal #14 (appearing in Dragon 298, August 2002). Fred also published a follow-up article entitled "Playing Pieces: Denizens of Darkness" in Living Greyhawk Journal #16/Dragon 300 (October 2002). Fred is one of the co-authors of the Living Greyhawk Gazetteer, so you won't be disappointed if you track down the back issue!

I've stolen material both of their articles for use in my own campaign, and incorporated it with my own additions to Gygax's original presentation of D3 Vault of the Drow (which remains one of my favorite of his published adventures).
#7

grodog

Jul 25, 2003 22:08:02
Here's the relevant excerpt on drow from Jason Zavoda's wonderful Greyhawk index:

Drow {Black Elf}{Dark Elf}[MON]
A1-4 Pg# - 89,122
A2 Pg# - 35
A4 Pg# - 22
AOE Pg# - 33,92-94,96-98,189-193
ATG Pg# - 2,26,27,29,31,33-42,73,93
CED Pg# - 12,53,56,57,149,150,151
COG:C# - 3,24
COG:FFF Pg# - 17,52,53
COG:GOTF Pg# - 87
COLTM Pg# - 17,33
D1
D1-2
D2
D3
DOD Pg# - 13,14,15,69,70,71,75,85,88,97,102,103,105,106,109
110,111,113,116,115,121,124,125,126,127,129,131,132,137
138,139,143,152,157,160,161,163,165,175,183,185,187
193,206,209,211,212,213,227,228,230,233,238,239,242,244
245,246,254,320,322,331,373,420
DRG#209 Pg# - 13
DRG#225 Pg# - 50
DRG#230 Pg# - 10,15
DRG#236 Pg# - 13
DRG#241 Pg# - 42,44,45,46,75,76,95
DRG#294 Pg# - 96
DRG#AN4 Pg# - 70
DUN#70 Pg# - 49,50,51,54,57,59,60,61,62,69,78
FTAA Pg# - 29,56
G123 Pg# - 16,17,18,20,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30
GA Pg# - 43,44,750
GDQ Pg# - 2,3,4,8,15,35,37,39,40,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,50,52
53,55,56,57,60,61,62,63,65,68,69,70,71,73,74,75,76
77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86,87,88,89,90,91,92,93
,103,105,114,115,121,125,127
IVID
LGG Pg# - 17,88,127,128,143
MMII Pg# - 42,60
PGTG Pg# - 5,24,39
POLY#30 Pg# - 6,7
RT1-4 Pg# - 4,5,6,30,41,126,127
RWPM Pg# - 40,41
S4B2 Pg# - 10,12
SC Pg# - 2,7,8,10,11,15,19
SLV Pg# - 2,36,48,109,121,122
SOD Pg# - 17,27,84-88,90,92,94,134,136,140,180,187,190,195,196
198,200,207,211,213,215,226,230,232,233,235-237,239-243
246,248-254,256-258,263,265,266,268-271,273,280-285,288,
292,296,300,314,319-321,323,325,343,345-349,351-353,355,
357,358,360,361,368,369,371-373,381,382,384,387
T1-4 Pg# - 29
TAB Pg# - 2,38,70,79,87
TD Pg# - 31-33,40-44
TSB Pg# - 25
UA Pg# - 10,11
WG12 Pg# - 2,8,36
WGA3 Pg# - 47,59,60
WGA4 Pg# - 15,20,29,50
WGM1 Pg# - 3,25
WGQ1 Pg# - 25
WGR1 Pg# - 33
WGR2 Pg# - 75
WGR3 Pg# - 39
WGR5 Pg# - 6,16,17,24,25,64,84,91,92
WGR6 Pg# - IC,49
WOGG Pg# - 14,27,30,53

Drowic [LNG]
D1 Pg# - 7,9

This should help you tracking down drowic mentions in various Greyhawk products. However, I didn't copy any of the named NPC entries---just the generic drow entry---here. This should be a good start, though.

Here's the explanation/key for the abbreviations:

Encyclopedia Greyhawkania Index
A1 Slave Pits of the Undercity (A1)
A1-4 Scourge of the Slavelords (A1-4)
A2 Secret of the Slavers Stockade (A2)
A3 Assault on the Aerie of the Slave Lords (A3)
A4 In The Dungeons of the Slave Lords (A4)
The Adventure Begins (TAB)
The Adventure Begins: Adventure Maps (TAB:AM)
Against The Giants - The Liberation of Geoff - Adventure (ATG)
Artifact of Evil (AOE)
Bigbys Curse (BC)
C1 The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan (C1)
C2 Ghost Tower of Inverness (C2)
Castles: Hart (HART)
City of Greyhawk: Adventure Cards (COG:C#)
City of Greyhawk: Folks, Feuds and Factions (COG:FFF)
City of Greyhawk: Gem of the Flanaess (COG:GOTF)
City of Hawks (COH)
Come Endless Darkness (CED)
The Complete Thiefs Handbook (CTH)
The Crypt of Lyzandred the Mad (COLTM)
D1 Descent into the Depths of the Earth (D1)
D2 Shrine of the Kuo-Toa (D2)
D3 Vault of the Drow (D3)
D1-2 Descent into the Depths of the Earth (D1-2)
Dance of Demons (DOD)
Dead Gods (DG)
The Doomgrinder (TD)
Dragon Magazine (DRG#)(1,2,3,5,6,7,9,19,37,43,52,55,56,57,59
,63,64,65,67,68,69,70,71,82,86,87,88,89,90,92,93,100
,131,139,141,164,167,171,173,178,185,188,189,191,194,195
,196,200,204,205,206,208,209,210,211,212,219,225,230,233
,236,238,241,242,243,245,246,249,253,256,258,262,263
,264,265,268,269,270,271,274,276,277,278,280,281,284,285,
287,288,290,291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299,300,
301,302,AN1,AN2,AN3,AN4)
Dungeon Magazine (DUN#)(6,13,19,30,32,41,42,53,70,71,72,73,77,
80,85,89,95)
Dungeon Masters Guide 1st Edition (DMG1)
Eldritch Wizardry (EW)
The Fright At Tristor (FAT)
From the Ashes: Atlas of the Flanaess (FTAA)
From the Ashes: Campaign Book (FTAC)
From the Ashes: References Card (FTAR#)(1-14)
From the Ashes: The Beckoner in the Dark (FTA:TBITD)
From the Ashes: Brainstorm (FTA:B)
From the Ashes: Dark Heart of Oak (FTA:DHOO)
From the Ashes: Honest Bandits (FTA:HB)
From the Ashes: Slavers By Midnight (FTA:SBM)
From the Ashes: Tamara Belongs to Me (FTA:TBTM)
G3 Hall of the Fire Giant King (G3)
G123 Against the Giants (G123)
GDQ1-7 Queen of the Spiders (GDQ)
Ghost Tower of Inverness (GTOI)
Greyhawk Adventures (GA)
Greyhawk Wars: Rule Book (GW:RB)
Greyhawk Wars: Adventures (GW:ADV)
I1 Dwellers of the Forbidden City (I1)
I7 Baltrons Beacon (I7)
I9 Day of Al'Akbar (I9)
IQ3 Warriors of the Gray Queen (IQ3)
Ivid the Undying (IVID)
L1 The Secret of Bone Hill (L1)
L2 The Assassins Knot (L2)
L3 Deep Dwarven Delve (L3)
Living Greyhawk Gazetteer (LGG)
Living Greyhawk Journal (LGJ#)(0,1,2,3,4,5)
Living Onnwal Gazetteer (LOG)
Lost Tomaochan: The Hidden Shrine of Lubaatum (LT)
Monster Manual (MMI)
Monster Manual II (MMII)
N1 Against the Cult of the Reptile God (N1)
Night Arrant (NA)
Official AD&D Coloring Album (OCA)
ONW1-01 Escape From Scant (ONW1-01)
ONW1-02 To Catch A Traitor (ONW1-02)
Players Guide to Greyhawk (PGTG)
Polyhedron Magazine (POLY#)(18,25,30,43,58,92,101,113,128,129,139)
Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits (Q1)
The Return of the Eight (RTO8)
Return to the Keep on the Borderland (RKB)
Return to the Temple of Elemental Evil (RT1-4)
Return to the Tomb of Horrors (RTOH)
Return to White Plume Mountain (RWPM)
Rogues Gallery (ROG)
S1 Tomb of Horrors (S1)
S2 White Plume Mountain (S2)
S2 White Plume Mountain {Expanded}(S2E)
S3 Expedition To The Barrier Peaks (S3)
S4 The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth Book One (S4B1)
S4 The Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth Book Two (S4B2)
Saga of Old City (SOOC)
Sagard the Barbarian #1 The Ice Dragon (SAG1)
The Scarlet Brotherhood (TSB)
Sea of Death (SOD)
Shattered Circle (SC)
Siege of the Citadel (SOTT)
Slavers (SLV)
The Star Cairns (TSC)
Sword and Fist (SAF)
T1-4 Temple of Elemental Evil (T1-4)
Tomb of Horrors (TOH)
TSR Jam 1999 (JAM)
U1 The Sinister Secret of Saltmarsh (U1)
U2 Danger at Dunwater (U2)
U3 The Final Enemy (U3)
UK1 Beyond the Crystal Cave (UK1)
UK2 Sentinel (UK2)
UK3 Gauntlet (UK3)
Unearthed Arcana (UA)
Vecna Reborn (VR)
WG4 The Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun (WG4)
WG5 Mordenkainens Fantastic Adventure (WG5)
WG6 Isle of the Ape (WG6)
WG7 Castle Greyhawk (NOT WORTH INDEXING)
WG8 Fate of Istus (WG8)
WG10 Childs Play (WG10)
WG11 Puppets (WG11)
WG12 Vale of the Mage (WG12)
WGA1 Falcons Revenge (WGA1)
WGA2 Falconmaster (WGA2)
WGA3 Flames of the Falcon (WGA3)
WGA4 Vecna Lives! (WGA4)
WGM1 Borderwatch (WGM1)
WGQ1 Patriots of Ulek (WGQ1)
WGR1 Greyhawk Ruins (WGR1)
WGR2 Treasures of Greyhawk (WGR2)
WGR3 Rary the Traitor (WGR3)
WGR4 The Marklands (WGR4)
WGR5 Iuz the Evil (WGR5)
WGR6 City of Skulls (WGR6)
WGS1 The Five Shall Be One (WGS1)
WGS2 Howl From the North (WGS2)
World of Greyhawk Boxed Set: A guide to (WOGA)
World of Greyhawk Boxed Set: Glossography (WOGG)
World of Greyhawk Gazetteer (WGG)

Abbreviations
BC = Back Cover
DIS = Disclaimer
FC = Front Cover
HO = Hand Out
IBC = Inside Back Cover
IC = Inside Front Cover
IN = Insert

[ADV] = Module/Supplement
[BK] = Book
[BTL] = Battle/War
[BRG] = Bridges
[CAL] = Date/Event/Time
[CAP] = Capitol
[CLN] = Clan/Family/Tribe
[CLS] = Class, Occupation, Profession
[COIN] = Coinage
[CTL] = Castle/Fort/Camp
[GLD] = Guild/League/Union
[GTE] = Gates
[ILE] = Islands
[INN] = Inn/Tavern/Bar/Restaurant
[ITM] = Item/Spell
[KNG] = Country/Kingdom/Province
[LIB] = Library
[LNG] = Language
[MNE] = Mine
[MON] = Monster
[MT] = Mountain/Hill
[ORG] = Organization/Society
[PHL] = Philosophy/Belief
[PLC] = Place
[PLN] = Plane/Dimension
[PPL] = People/Organization/Position
[PRV] = Province
[QTR] = City Quarter/Districts/Buildings/Offices
[RVR] = River/Lake/Stream
[SCL] = College/School
[SHP] = Shop
[STR] = Street/Road/Path
[TMP] = Temple/Church/Shrine
[TRT] = Treaty
[TWN] = City/Town/Village
[WD] = Woods/Forest/Jungle
[WST] = Wasteland

Enjoy :D