Last this really doesn't have to do with Sorcerers but what ever happened to Gilthanas??
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. Hmm oh well guess i gotta settle being a Wizard so as to be conducive of a long life ;)I'd be more worried about like minded Sorcerers hunting down the Wizards... Knights of the Thorn anyone?
So here goes.
No. They can't. The very magic they use is anathema and blasphemous to the WoHS.
The only way for a Sorcerer to "follow the laws of High Sorcery" is to NOT use Primal/Wild Sorcery.
-TRRW
Originally posted by TheRedRobedWizard
The only way for a Sorcerer to "follow the laws of High Sorcery" is to NOT use Primal/Wild Sorcery.
Right. The Orders would like you to convert over, thank you very much. That's the option. They're probably very keen for you to join their software development team, but you need to use the right operating system.
Cheers,
Cam
There are rules in AoM that let sorcerers switch out levels for levels of wizard. Outside of that, I think that would be the only the Orders would accept them.
I'm pretty sure I covered that with this post.
So yeah, I think that answered the question at hand as well. :D
Renegades, what is this Primal magic? If it don't read it from a book, it's gotta die
Sorry for the random post, just felt like issuing innane chatter.
I hope that Sysane is right about the wizards and sorcerers having to coexist, if only to watch Dalamar grind his teeth into nothing!
) And i agree those who think the Sorcerers need fear are fools. I mean Archmage may think he is all that and a bag of chips, but i can assure you he is just the bag of chips, and maybe some dip too.... prob a little salsa too. Anyways he and the other Wizards of Krynn(even though he isn't really a wizard in Krynn) should watch thier backs, while the Orders have been reestablished, it will take them time to grow to thier old glory days, meanwhile the sorcerers need no rules or orders... yet. But i do hope some rules eventually get set up for them... I miss Palin already :sad: GCS
I apologize for degenerating this board, everyone else please forgive me.
Originally posted by Theblackrobedarchmage
Also, Gilthanas is dead. Stop asking.
No, Gilthanas is still alive and working with Silvara to rally the Knights and elves against Frost and other Great Dragons. Check the DLCS. :-)
Matthew "The One at Fault" Martin
Originally posted by Green_Cloaked_Sorcerer
I hope they do too, {wizards and sorcerers having to coexist}
The White Robe I'm playing in Cam Banks' game has this exact idea. He basically thinks "Look, wild magic is here to stay, we're not going to get rid of it. We in the orders of High Sorcery have two options: we can either fight a long, bloody war that nobody will win, or we can engage the sorcerers diplomatically, helping them to regulate their power and establish rules in institutions like Palin's old Academy." He's pushing for Option B.
- Clark
Originally posted by clarkvalentine
The White Robe I'm playing in Cam Banks' game has this exact idea. He basically thinks "Look, wild magic is here to stay, we're not going to get rid of it. We in the orders of High Sorcery have two options: we can either fight a long, bloody war that nobody will win, or we can engage the sorcerers diplomatically, helping them to regulate their power and establish rules in institutions like Palin's old Academy." He's pushing for Option B.
And I keep giving him truly horrible examples of sorcerers...
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Galen Dracos
Yes currently those types of spells fit a renegade. My favorite Renegade who chose Takhisis over Nuitari happens to be my name sake who was as or almost as powerful as Raistlin.
Your namesake is spelled "Galan".
Uh....I should run now, shouldn't I? ;)
Originally posted by Cam Banks
And I keep giving him truly horrible examples of sorcerers...
Cheers,
Cam
Such as? Just curious.
Originally posted by Wizardman
Such as? Just curious.
Turncoats, traitors, backstabbers, kidnappers, and only some of those are Thorn knights. His character hasn't really met a nice sorcerer yet.
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Serena DarkMyst
So Cam.....do you intend on showing a decent sorcerer, or are they your foil for the campaign?
I'll step out of the thread now...
- Clark
Originally posted by clarkvalentine
I'll step out of the thread now...
There's such a thing as a decent sorcerer?
Cheers,
Cam
GCS
Originally posted by clarkvalentine
I'll step out of the thread now...
- Clark
Im sorry Clark......I didnt mean to ask something that would give away game info.....Sorry to you as well Cam......I wasnt thinking.....feel free to smack me over the head.....my bad guys.
Originally posted by Green_Cloaked_Sorcerer
Hey I'm a decent Sorcerer.... err i was until i bit that kids face off... yea i caught some hell for that one.... hmmm i guess you have a point Cam. Well there was Palin..... oh wait... umm good sorcerers, good sorcerers.... umm dang Cams right.
GCS
You're not that guy from Heroes of Sorcery who once wore white robes, but turned to sorcery in the Age of Mortals and now wears green robes, are ya?
What's his name....Finkle the Green? 'Cause I hear he went a little loco...
Originally posted by Dragonhelm
What's his name....Finkle the Green? 'Cause I hear he went a little loco...
That's that wild magic doing its thing again. See, when they all got excited 28 years after the moon gods had gone that they'd found this new sorcery magic, they didn't know what it would do to people over a period of time. It's a little like asbestos or Nutrasweet - fantastic discovery, unforeseen long-term effects...
Cheers,
Cam
Originally posted by Cam Banks
That's that wild magic doing its thing again. See, when they all got excited 28 years after the moon gods had gone that they'd found this new sorcery magic, they didn't know what it would do to people over a period of time. It's a little like asbestos or Nutrasweet - fantastic discovery, unforeseen long-term effects...
Hell, look what it did to that poor Finkle chap. He's spouting bad poetry...
Once I wore robes of white,
But now I’ve seen
That Krynn cries for a champion
To make her green.
Tempered by sorrow,
I’ve learned a new knack;
Know that Finkle, now of Green Robes,
Has finally come back!
After reading that poem there, posted by the one named DagronHelm (yes, I intentionally misspelled it), I pray for your death to come quickly and painfully to you.
Also, I reaffirm that Gilthas is dead, and there is no changing that fact.
Now, all you wild magic freaks clear out of my tower, you're smelling the place up a bit.
Originally posted by Theblackrobedarchmage
On another sarcastic side note:
After reading that poem there, posted by the one named DagronHelm (yes, I intentionally misspelled it), I pray for your death to come quickly and painfully to you.
Sorry, you're too late. I sacrificed myself this last weekend playing Heroes of Rokugan.
Shiba Kataro went out in a blaze of glory. *sniff*
By the way, the original poem is on page 86 of book 1 of Heroes of Sorcery. Even with my own powers of cheese, I couldn't create a poem like that! ;)
Originally posted by TheRedRobe
Sorcs suck wizards rule
That sums it up for most people who prefer wizards over sorcerers. I would even say that the gods of magic feel the same way!
Originally posted by TheRedRobe
Sorcs suck wizards rule
While I would agree that Wizards of High Sorcery are the most popular of all Krynnish spellcasters (83% of people on a recent poll on the site said so), I would not go so far as to say that sorcerers “suck”.
The Wizards of High Sorcery tend to take on more specialized roles within the Dragonlance setting. There are several arcane spellcasting prestige classes, for example, that don’t fit them as well. For example, the arcane trickster.
Enter in the sorcerer. The sorcerer is your “everyman” spellcaster, not beholden to the gods or the Orders of High Sorcery. He can take those prestige classes that aren’t as good for wizards. He doesn’t have to have that single-minded dedication to magic, so it’s a bit more realistic for him to multiclass.
Plus, look at some of the options available to sorcerers in Dragonlance. Certainly, the Academy Sorcerer is a very cool prestige class. The arcane theses alone give it a cool factor. Or perhaps you’d like something a bit more covert. Enter the Legion Sorcerer.
And let us not forget dragon mages!
So while the Wizards of High Sorcery are quite popular, I wouldn’t dismiss the sorcerer so quickly. Between the available options and cool role-playing possibilities, a sorcerer may be an experience you wouldn’t want to miss.
GCS
I understand he has been stripped of all his spells but that is just for High Sorcery not Primal Sorcery. One cannot have that ability taken away. He merely chooses not to use it because it is an affront to the god's of magic.
Originally posted by Koranith
I understand he has been stripped of all his spells but that is just for High Sorcery not Primal Sorcery. One cannot have that ability taken away. He merely chooses not to use it because it is an affront to the god's of magic.
No, the gods of magic took away his knowledge of how to cast sorcerer spells. He no longer has any ability to do so, and his effective caster level is 0. They brought him back to life; they could have done worse.
Cheers,
Cam
The way the conclave works, and the way it deals with renegades, makes much more sense if once those secrets are taught they cannot be simply taken back.
As to Palin's wild magic being stripped by the Moon Gods ... It makes much more sense for the Moon Gods to have just denied him the ability to use High Sorcery or that Palin just voluntarily foreswore the use of wild magic/primal sorcery. It really does NOT make sense otherwise, why?
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If the Moon Gods can remove the ability of a mortal to use Wild Magic/Primal Sorcery, then why did they not do the exact same thing to Kalrakin, the BBES (Big Bad Evil Sorcerer) that tore the crap out of the Tower of Wayreth?
Originally posted by iltharanos
If the Moon Gods can remove the ability of a mortal to use Wild Magic/Primal Sorcery, then why did they not do the exact same thing to Kalrakin, the BBES (Big Bad Evil Sorcerer) that tore the crap out of the Tower of Wayreth?
Free will.
We don't have to ressurect this argument again do we? You know I'm right about this, and you'll know I'll win... again.
There is a reason renegade hunters have to imprison or kill wizards.
Originally posted by iltharanos
If the Moon Gods can remove the ability of a mortal to use Wild Magic/Primal Sorcery, then why did they not do the exact same thing to Kalrakin, the BBES (Big Bad Evil Sorcerer) that tore the crap out of the Tower of Wayreth?
Palin was resurrected from the dead by the moon gods and volunteered the abandonment of his wild magic talent. This combination of circumstances is fairly unique to him - in almost every other case, the gods of magic require their mortal agents to work against renegades and practitioners of wild magic. You'll note how prevalent wild magic seemed to be in the early chapters of Wizard's Conclave - it had spread to the point that the gods of magic were literally unable to exact major changes or bring their divine power to bear, so they're in the same boat as the other gods now. Use mortals to do their work, or continue to bang their deific heads against the brick wall of the cosmos.
Cheers,
Cam
they juyst said he was going to stay dead unless he left it behind. Simple, no?
Originally posted by Katt Nightstalker
they dident 'strip' him of his magic.
they juyst said he was going to stay dead unless he left it behind. Simple, no?
Palin voluntarily gave his magic up.
Originally posted by Katt Nightstalker
they dident 'strip' him of his magic.
they juyst said he was going to stay dead unless he left it behind. Simple, no?
No....they didnt.....they offered him the magic back....Palin refused.
GCS
I am quite impressed how far this post has gone on though.
I think that he needs to stay away. His loyalties are too divided right now between family that he neglected and the magic he would embrace.
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