Nok

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#1

pringles

Oct 15, 2004 14:57:34
Wich class is Nok, an illusionst? a druid? a cleric?
#2

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Oct 15, 2004 15:07:37
I would say he's probably a Wizard(preserver)/Druid.
#3

Sysane

Oct 15, 2004 15:09:54
Wich class is Nok, an illusionst? a druid? a cleric?

In the context of 2e I'd say he was a straight illusionist/druid. 3.5 I'd go with preserver/druid.
#4

pringles

Oct 15, 2004 15:13:07
In wich book they say is a druid?
#5

the_peacebringer

Oct 15, 2004 15:53:29
In wich book they say is a druid?

Idon't think it's specifically mentioned, in any of the PP books, that Nok is a druid. He just acts like one... that and a preserver.
#6

xlorepdarkhelm_dup

Oct 15, 2004 18:45:31
In wich book they say is a druid?

It doesn't specifically state he was. However, Nok was the leader of a Halfling tribe, and the books (WJ & WC) state that all halfling tribe leaders were Druids.
#7

Pennarin

Oct 15, 2004 19:51:17
The halfling chieftain of the Ogo village was a ranger/psionicist in 2E, so I would think that rangers are as good as druids for acceptance for leadership.

Since DS3 describes rangers has learning to use the lesser spirits that inhabit Athas in order to produce spell-like effects, I would surmise that all that the halflings require of their chieftains is to be chosen by the spirits―Spirits of the Land or lesser spirits―so as to ensure their respect of nature.
#8

monastyrski

Oct 16, 2004 15:06:56
Preserver (Illusionist) / Psionicist, I suppose. He manifested psionic powers in The Verdant Passage, and he created arcane items, but I do not remember him to cast any divine spells or use any druidic abilities.
#9

Pennarin

Oct 16, 2004 20:25:30
Nok was, in my opinion, an epic character. I'd say druid/psion, or druid/psion/wizard (preserver).
I'd say Sadira managed to kill him because the guy had invested part of his essence into the Heartwood spear when he created it and was diminished. As long as he didn't have it with him - or that it wasn't absorbed into a tree that as a druid he was in contact with - he lost part of his power, a little like Sauron without the One Ring.
The Spear's task accomplished, it would have been returned to him and the tree would have reabsorbed it and Nok regained his full power.
#10

pringles

Oct 17, 2004 14:26:32
I made him 10th/12th level Druid/Illusionist for my campaign. We use 2 edition rule.
#11

jon_oracle_of_athas

Oct 18, 2004 3:16:40
A bit off topic, but since Pringles mentions 2nd edition, I just want to mention that I will be putting some of my old 2nd edition material back up on Athas Online soon, including The Complete Book of Athasian Humanoids.
#12

the_peacebringer

Feb 01, 2005 9:27:04
I've been interested in giving Nok a role in my campaign. Maybe get my players involved in the creation of the Heartwood spear (I've taken the ideas from one of you guys in the boards although I don't remember who it was... maybe Pringles? Thanks, anyways).

Now I'm trying to build the character. I've made him a 10drd/10psi/5hch*/15pre. Now I was wondering what psionic discipline he would have (I was thinking shaper). What do you guys think?

*Hafling chieftain curtesy of Jon
#13

zombiegleemax

Feb 01, 2005 16:22:55
Nok was a high level mage/psionicist/druid, which gave him the equivalent
of Preserver dragon magic (at a very low level).

2nd Ed, 18 Preserver (Illusionist), because you need the ability to cast 9th Level Spells to create such powerful artifacts. 16 Druid, or maybe 14? And 21 Psionicist, at least, don't forget he was by far more powerful then Agis, who was a 16 Level Psi during their battle. Oh he also should have some knowledge about lifeshaping.

You coudl also bring him back, maybe the Players need the Heartwood Spear and Ktandeos Cane to fight an evil Defiler on his way to Dragonhood. Nok was killed but his essence was trapped in the Plants that began to grow in the place where he fell, they whispered Sadiras name, so he was alive in some way, maybe his body needs some years to "regrow" in the tree, and the Players have to bring it back to the great tree in his village so he can merge with it to complete his ressurection. He would show gratitude and restore the Spear and the Cane, so the PC might use it in their fight.
#14

Pennarin

Feb 01, 2005 17:08:45
One can create artifacts by using miracle, if its availlable for druids.

As for Nok's artifacts, and Nok himself, the Heartwood Spear is currently a splited giant tree at the bottom of the Canyon of Gutay. Weither it can be restituted to its former glory is unclear.
Ktandeo's Cane struck Nok's Sphere in battle while both items were drawing power. The ensuing conflagration apparently killed Nok.
After what seems to be his death, Nok, or part of him, survived in an altered state. His body, or whatever form it might have transformed into, was kept from view by the rim of the crater caused by the conflagration, but plant tendrils were seen and words uttered. The contents of the crater were apparently encinerated by Sadira, using a fireball. Weither something is left of Nok is unclear.
If Nok were to somehow ressurect in his forest, the Tyrian Council would probably not know it, since Nok's whole reason for going out of his forest was to retrieve Ktandeo's Cane in the possession of Sadira, an item now destroyed. With no reason to cross the tyrians' path, Nok's renewed existence would go unnoticed.
#15

zombiegleemax

Feb 01, 2005 18:11:11
Yep Pennarin, he could even use this "windwhisper" ability to attract the attention of the Players.
Iguess he would prefer it to come back without the knowledge of Tyr, especially Sadira ;).
The Cane was destroyed but only the obsidian part, some parts are still out there, which should be enough for Nok to repair it. The Spear shouldn't be a problem too.

BTW I asked Troy Denning about Noks class and quoted what he mailed:

"Nok was a high level mage/psionicist/druid, which gave him the equivalent
of Preserver dragon magic (at a very low level)."

This statement is some Years old and time and rules have changed ;).
#16

Pennarin

Feb 01, 2005 20:33:58
Reading the ideas that Sadira had when she saw Nok's Sphere, there is the distinct possibility that the cane part of Ktandeo's Cane is but a cosmetic addition to the basic design that Nok uses himself: that of an obsidian sphere.

I strongly lean towards making a single base model for both items, a minor artifact in the form of a sphere, not unlike a Staff of the Magi in its versatility.
The spells contained in it could be costumized in each sphere. It might also be possible to add spells to the mix, in a special action that "teaches" the spell to the sphere, ever increasing its repertoire.

Since all spells need energy to be powered, be they divine or arcane, druid spells could also be found in Ktandeo's Cane and Nok's Sphere. With names such as Forestlight, Clear-river, and Skyfire, I might seriously consider the possibility that those particular spells are some kick-ass druid spells, possibly of Nok's design.

To do this item, many things will be required:
1. Get Xlorep's finalized design on empowered obsidian orbs, as these items will probably serve as the basis of the...Spheres.
2. Adapt the numerous mentions of the spells that Ktandeo's version of the item can produce (Ghostfire, Forestlight, ...)
3. Get Xlorep's finalized design on dragon magic, so that rules for defiling animal life exclusively can be adapted from them and applied to the Spheres.
4. Concensus within the equipment bureau as to weither the weird abilities of the Cane found in PAoA need to be ported to the 3.5 design, as I'm not confident the design in that book entirely reflects the abilities found in the Verdant Passage and the Amber Enchantress.
#17

the_peacebringer

Feb 02, 2005 7:20:34
Nok was a high level mage/psionicist/druid, which gave him the equivalent
of Preserver dragon magic (at a very low level).

2nd Ed, 18 Preserver (Illusionist), because you need the ability to cast 9th Level Spells to create such powerful artifacts. 16 Druid, or maybe 14? And 21 Psionicist, at least, don't forget he was by far more powerful then Agis, who was a 16 Level Psi during their battle. Oh he also should have some knowledge about lifeshaping.

So you're saying he should be at even higher levels then I actually made him?

You coudl also bring him back, maybe the Players need the Heartwood Spear and Ktandeos Cane to fight an evil Defiler on his way to Dragonhood. Nok was killed but his essence was trapped in the Plants that began to grow in the place where he fell, they whispered Sadiras name, so he was alive in some way, maybe his body needs some years to "regrow" in the tree, and the Players have to bring it back to the great tree in his village so he can merge with it to complete his ressurection. He would show gratitude and restore the Spear and the Cane, so the PC might use it in their fight.

Yeah, I had an idea similar to that one. Sort of like having him grow out of an acorn or something, with the PCs' help.
#18

zombiegleemax

Feb 02, 2005 8:50:07
So you're saying he should be at even higher levels then I actually made him?

Nope, I would never dare . That stats I presented would be my proposition for the 2nd Ed Nok, I'm not very familiar with 3rd Ed, so I would never try to disagree with someone ;).



Yep, they would get an Epic ally, for an Epic challange.
#19

the_peacebringer

Feb 02, 2005 11:11:09
What about you, Pen. You think he should be an Epic character, would 40 levels be enough or should he be higher?
#20

Pennarin

Feb 02, 2005 17:19:05
I have him at about 35-40 levels, not because of his perceived power level in the novels, but uniquely because he managed to craft the major artifact known as the Heartwood Spear.

Since that's a huge number of levels for such a NPC, and that crafting such a powerful artifact might still be out of reach by even such a powerful individual, I thought of the following that might solve both problems:
1. He creates the Spear by investing part of his essence into it (gaining negative levels). This...sacrifice ensures that he can create an item more powerful than he normally could, and helps to bring down his character level in the process.
2. A spirit of the land invests part of itself too. For this I'm thinking that maybe the giant oak tree that produced the Spear might have been an athasian treant.
3. The Spear's function fulfilled, it would have been returned to Nok who would have...recycled it back into the oak tree, restituting his levels and the HD of the spirit of the land.

Its not much important if Nok is very high level, since he stays mostly within his forest home, and wants nothing to do with the outside world besides culling any threat to his forest home. The 3-part solution above ensures that Sadira has a chance when she does encounter Nok: since he has the Spear with him, he still has negative levels; also, the destruction of Nok's Sphere and Ktandeo's Cane is what mostly kills him, not anything Sadira did to him; finaly, Sadira finished off whatever survived the conflagration with a simple fireball spell.