Thankyou for your time,
ashenphoenix
I'm thinking of starting a Planescape timeline, and was just wondering if anyone out there has any notes on the subject, or would like to help?
Some notes I did, based mostly on the stuff from Planewalker's Handbook:
Year Date Event
-10000 Shekelor dies; before this time, enemies of the Lady
were exiled to Pandemonium
-982 Foundation of the Guvners.
-700 Factol Jaretta rules the Guvners.
First records of Anarchist activity.
-630 Great Upheaval;
Augy of Faunel reorganises the Believers of the Source;
Sons of Mercy and Sodkillers merge into the
Mercykillers.
-500 Harmonium founded on Ortho.
-300 Anarchists kill the Mercykiller Factol.
-200 Chaosmen assassinate the Harmonium Composer.
-150 Xaositects first recorded with that name.
-126 1 Ha. Lariset the Inescapable disappears;
Haskar becomes Factol of the Guvners.
-57 70 Ha. Birth of Duke Rowan Darkwood.
-50 77 Ha. The Anarchist Omar joins the Harmonium.
-33 94 Ha. Birth of Erin Montgomery.
-30 97 Ha. Last epidemy of Grim Retreat.
-20 107 Ha. Xaositects modify the courtyards of The Lady's Ward.
-19 108 Ha. Birth of Alisohn Nilesia.
-16 111 Ha. Last Great Modron March.
-3 124 Ha. Tollysalmon succumbs to the Grim Retreat;
Lhar is the new Bleaker Factol.
-1 126 Ha. Duke Darkwood becomes Factol of the Fated;
Hornung the Anarch joins the Xaositects.
0 127 Ha. Present.
Is the 10k year figure accurate for Shekelor or for Darkwood's past/future self? I don't recall off the top of my head.
Also somewhere in the past few centuries you need to include the rise and mazing of the Incanterium, plus the disintigration of the Expansionists after the mazing of factol Vartus Timlin.
I had a nearly complete timeline written up for when I was writing Planewalker's Sigil material but I can't find where I put it for the life of me.
Shekelor was at approx -4000 years.
Vartus Timlin of the Expansionists was mazed at -1000, his faction subsequently dissolved. Timlin was released from the mazes somewhere between 2-3 years prior to the Faction War.
I'm actually doing it for submission to Planewalker, so if you want to send it to me when you find it Shimmy, I'd be eternally grateful. My email's sparksman$@$gmail$.com (without the $ signs).
I really hope it's OK to call you that, otherwise I'm in a whole world of pain.
http://greyhawkonline.com/pitsofevil/viewtopic.php?t=1783
Darkwood/Ancient Wizard was bottled in the Labyrinth Stone either at -10k years, or -14k years. There are some sources that confuse Shekelor with his older predecessor.
Shekelor was at approx -4000 years.
Planes of Chaos said, in The Travelogue [page 39], "According to tales, more than ten thousand years ago, Shekelor was the greatest mage in Sigil... Finally, in some scroll long since lost, he found a hint that a wizard of even more ancient times had nearly brought her down."
Faction War said [page 34], "One of his many chant-diggers found a reference in an old book to a formidable spellslinger who, eons ago, challenged the Lady of Pain-and nearly defeated her... another mage, Shekelor, left Sigil about 10,000 years ago on a public quest to find the gem, a mlssion that ended in his hideous death."
Neither In the Cage nor Uncaged specify when Shekelor lived. [More than] 10,000 years ago has to be considered the official date. His predecessor was long before that, in a time where Sigil hosted creatures that Gifad couldn't have named "in his wildest imaginings."
Vartus Timlin of the Incanterium was mazed at -1000, his faction subsequently dissolved. Timlin was released from the mazes somewhere between 2-3 years prior to the Faction War.
Wasn't Timlin factol of the Expansionists?
Wasn't Timlin factol of the Expansionists?
Yep, I goofed. Last post edited.
personally I take the center-of-all philosophy to time in Planescape.
...and the Centre of All.
What would be the demonstration of the rule of three if applied to Planar time?
There was a comic?
Was it any good?a wizard of even more ancient times had nearly brought her down."
a reference in an old book to a formidable spellslinger who, eons ago, challenged the Lady of Pain-and nearly defeated her...
I am certain that I have read of this character in a very brief mention in one of the PS supplements. Their name was more like a title than a name, and started with the letter 'A' (I'm not referring to Aoskar.) Does anyone know of this name, or were it might be located in the books? I'm inclined to think it might have been in the original boxed set, but I have scoured it and not found the reference.
I am certain that I have read of this character in a very brief mention in one of the PS supplements. Their name was more like a title than a name, and started with the letter 'A' (I'm not referring to Aoskar.) Does anyone know of this name, or were it might be located in the books? I'm inclined to think it might have been in the original boxed set, but I have scoured it and not found the reference.
Duke Rowan Darkwood. And he didn't come anywhere near to beating Her Serenity. It was a rumor.
Duke Rowan Darkwood. And he didn't come anywhere near to beating Her Serenity. It was a rumor.
Absolutely. It was all just rumor built up over thousands of years from the original events which were hinted at repeatedly over the course of the Planescape product line and which ultimately were revealed in 'Faction War'. Damn that module was awesome...
infinity cubed?
There was a comic?
See for yourself:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20031113a
of coarse I could go back further...but hey)BPT=Before Planar Time(Before Time keeping is standardized in Sigil)PT=Planar Time
100,000,000 BPT-Several Powerful Evil Races control the Lower Planes as a "United Allaince of Evil", included are the Baern, the Ancient Baatorians, and a third race, perhaps the ancestors of the Beholder Great Mother, or a powerful race of ancient primordial super beholders. Preparations begin to assault the Upper Planes. Ancient Celestians, Elysiumians, and Arboreans prepare for invasion.
Dragonic and Saurian races hold many Prime worlds under iron grip, with no signs of slipping. Dragons are first to discover Spelljamming, and put it to good use to spread their influence threwout the Prime.
99,999,999 BPT-Baern betray the other two races, destroying the allaince, before the betrayal is complete, Ancient Baatorians counter by destroying the most powerful members of the Baern Race, leaving only the weakest form left. Only one of the Ancient Tanarans survive, she later becomes the Great Mother and creates the Beholder Race. Baern quickly put phase two of their plan into effect, creating the Baatezu and Tanar ri races, and sparking what eventually becomes the Blood War.
65,000,000 PT-Massive waves of extinctions occur due to various catrophic events of unknown orgin on many Prime Worlds as the largest Reptlian species, the Dinosaurs, begin to die off, other smaller reptilians also die.
Massive Planar Earthquake rocks the Beastlands due to the massive amounts of animal souls.
Dragonic and Reptilian Empires across the worlds manage to survive, but are serverely weakened. Many Reptilians are enslaved by the Dragons.
5800000 BPT-5700000 BPT Corellian Larethan of the Selederine creates the Elven Race. Other Gods also create their own races, but none match the splender of the Elves. The greatest of these races are the Dwarves, unmatched in their skill with stone, and the Humans, who seem to have unlimited potencial, despite their primitive ways(These were the earliest humans, who had yet to discover fire). Infamious rivalry between Gruumish and his Orcs and the Elves begins after Grummish and Larethan battle, in the fight Grummish loses one of his eyes.
Elvens advance rapidly, soon discovering Spelljamming. Conflict with Dragons occurs. Elves easily defeated by the ancient race. Some of the benevolent Dragons, led by the nearly immortal Bahamut, befriend Elvenkind however, and give them secrets to help them defeat their evil bretheren.
Some servants of Queen Tiamat, the Greatest of the Evil Draconic Rulers, hears of this, and soon the Dragon's empire is consumed by a civil war. The growing Elven empire assists the good Dragons.
Eventually, after eions of fighting, Tiamat battles Bahamut. The Dragonic Empire collapses, but the two combatants ascend to Godhood during their battle. The Dragons following Tiamat and Bahamut are transformed into the Evil Chromatic Dragons, and the Good Metallic Dragons. Dragonkind becomes increasingly reclusive, and their society crumbles, when more and more Dragons deside to forsake others of the their kind, in preference for solitude.
5700000-5600000-BPT: Elven Empire reaches its prime. Humanity begins to make technological and magical discoverys putting them increasingly on par with the Elves. Lolth urges Corellian to crush them before they can become a threat. Corellian refuses. Lolth begins a downward spiral into evil, eventually becoming "The Queen of Spiders", Elven Civil-War results between Elves and "Dark Elves", or followers of Lolth. Corellian and his Light Elves come out on top, and Lolth and her followers are banished beneath the Ground, or into the depths of Wildspace.
5600000-5500000-BPT: Humanity surpasses the Elves in magical talent. Worse still, Humanity has begun to expand unto Elven lands. Conflicts between the two races begin. Relations become largely strained. Elvenkind largely becomes more and more reclusive, choosing isolation over war with humanity.
Human Empires of unparreled might rise on the Prime following the Elve's withdrawel. Perhaps the strongest is the mighty followers of the "Egyptian" Gods, who control the biggest realm of any upper planar Gods, almost an entire layer of Arborea, the Desert Layer of Pelion. Powerful Planar Barges sail from the Oceanus in this realm, allowing the faithful on the prime to directly travel to this realm.
5500000-5350000 BPT: Accidental discovery of a powerful race of Squid-like telepaths prove disasterious for one human empire, as the horrifify race quickly conquers the Spelljammers, and reverse-enginneers it. These creatures, which call themselves Illithid, spread like a plague threwout the lands of man. As their territory grows, so do their power. The River Oceanus mysteryious disapears from Pelion, and the entire layer begins to collapse and turn into a realm of death. All of the "Egyptian" gods, except for Nephyrs, Osirus and Anubus abandon the realm.
5350000-5300000 BPT: Illithids continue to grow in power. Elves, in fear, retreat to isolated corners of the Prime. Mankind on unnumeral worlds is conquered by the cruel Illithids. Illithids experiment on mankind in order to increase their usefullness.
The power of the Illithids becomes so great, that even the Baatezu and the Tanar ri' pause in their seemingly eternal struggle.
5300000- BPT: The mighty warrior Gith begins a rebellion which engulfs the Illithid worlds. The Illithid Empire seemingly collapses. Rebels split between Zerthamon and Gith's forces, Githzerai and Githyanki races are born.
5200000-30000: Elvenkind begins to colonize worlds formerly controled by the Illithids. Humanity begins long, slow recovery. Many human empires rise which rival the much older pre-Illithid Empires, but are still a pale-shadow of their former. On much of the Prime, a powerful being known as Onegas creates an empire which threatens the Gods themselves, and is quickly taken care of.
30000 BPT-137 PT: Great Empires slowly collapse, Sigil is discovered(entered) by some planar travelers from the Prime. After some time, humans and eventually other races from the Prime begin settling the city. Humans spread threwout the Outer Planes, terms like "Planar" and "Prime" are coined. Factions soon spring up. Any that worship the lady of Pain are eliminated, quickly putting some limitations as to what philociphies are aloud within Sigil.(See above timeline)
Duke Rowan Darkwood. And he didn't come anywhere near to beating Her Serenity. It was a rumor.
No, this was a snippet of text that I believe was in the first boxset somewhere. The name started with an "A." I am of the belief that it was Arcanamach (nothing to do with the Suel prc just released.) I must scour my books again...
No, this was a snippet of text that I believe was in the first boxset somewhere. The name started with an "A." I am of the belief that it was Arcanamach (nothing to do with the Suel prc just released.) I must scour my books again...
The PSMCII mentioned that the Arcane refuse to go into Sigil for some reason. Could that be what you mean?
It would be kind of cool if there were a hidden Big Baddie that I didn't know about, but it seems likely that Shemeska or I or someone here would know about it, if there was.
Keep us posted, though.
There are Aurumachs (gold rilmani).
Um, with this stuff can people try to source events to products? I'm trying not to duplicate work, and to also establish veracity of events -including how many suppliments is appears in (Eg. The LoP is referred to as LN in one suppliment, while she is referred to as TN in almost all others. This is most likely a misinterpretation of perspective).
Thanks guys. First version submitted to Planewalker.
Eep.
Um, with this stuff can people try to source events to products? I'm trying not to duplicate work, and to also establish veracity of events -including how many suppliments is appears in (Eg. The LoP is referred to as LN in one suppliment, while she is referred to as TN in almost all others. This is most likely a misinterpretation of perspective).
Thanks guys. First version submitted to Planewalker.
Actually, the Lady was never statted as TN. It's just that in the 2e products, Her Serenity was intentionally left as an ineffable cipher. It was possible that the Lady was beyond alignments.
The "LN" clause in the ****-poor Planar Handbook can only be attributed to ignorance, lack of respect, and possibly a profound case of stupidity on the part of the author.
You can read the reactions of some of the old PS creators to Her Serenity's alignment shift here
For a little taster, you can also see what Monte's opinion of Bruce Cordell's Die Vecna Die were:
Monte: No. Not even a little bit. I don't think any of us was overly thrilled with the product, but I can only speak for myself. It wasn't where we wanted to take things at all.
Die, Bruce, Die
Die, Bruce, Die
People tend to forget that the adventure was co-written by Steve Miller, who must accept equal responsibility for it.
I am certain that I have read of this character in a very brief mention in one of the PS supplements. Their name was more like a title than a name, and started with the letter 'A' (I'm not referring to Aoskar.) Does anyone know of this name, or were it might be located in the books? I'm inclined to think it might have been in the original boxed set, but I have scoured it and not found the reference.
The name is 'Alisohn.'
But I won't lose.
And leave my Dukie out of this.
The name is 'Alisohn.'
But I won't lose.
And leave my Dukie out of this.
No, it wasn't this name either...Either Arcanamach, or Arch-something
I will hunt this down... :D
No, it wasn't this name either...Either Arcanamach, or Arch-something
The Arcanamach is something from Oerth history- from the Suel Imperium I believe. Not really linked to planescape, at least not in any books I've read.
Arch... well, Half of everything in the multiverse has "arch" put before it, so good luck with that.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=149323
I'm wondering . . . how does the PS timeline conincide with the FR timeline? Is the 126th year of Factol Hashkar's reign 1368 DR? The only PS/FR crossover was the novel "Lady Tymora's Luck", but I can't remember the year.
We can also probably assume that the Iron Shadow from Tales From the Infinite Staircase infests the planes at around the same time as Waukeen is freed from the Abyss in For Duty and Deity - 1370 DR, I guess. They were marketed as a cross-over of sorts, though there isn't any non-marketing-related reason they have to take place at the same time.
The Iron Shadow is supposed to have happened in Hashkar 130, according to at least one fan-created timeline.
The Iron Shadow is supposed to have happened in Hashkar 130, according to at least one fan-created timeline.
Although TFIS is postFW so it wouldn't really be Hashkar 130. Funny how a convention assumed by some quickly becomes meaning to the masses.
Although TFIS is postFW so it wouldn't really be Hashkar 130.
Er, Guild Age 2.
We can also probably assume that the Iron Shadow from Tales From the Infinite Staircase infests the planes at around the same time as Waukeen is freed from the Abyss in For Duty and Deity - 1370 DR, I guess. They were marketed as a cross-over of sorts, though there isn't any non-marketing-related reason they have to take place at the same time.
The Iron Shadow is supposed to have happened in Hashkar 130, according to at least one fan-created timeline.
So when is Faction War supposed to take place? I thought it was Hashkar 126, unless no year is specified. And what year are we up to in the Realms anyway? 1374?