* * * Wizards Community Thread * * * -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Thread : question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Started at 02-20-08 11:33 AM by adidamps2 Visit at http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=993872 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 1] Author : adidamps2 Date : 02-20-08 11:33 AM Thread Title : question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) how do you guys who play 1st/2dn ED address PC's who have a higher str score than what the gauntlet provides? i.e. my PC has a str score of 19, however the Guantlets only provide a str of 18/00? also how do you address issues like Girdles/Blets of Giant STR + GOP? i know that one of the magical items in the DGM states that you either a) get a bonus for wearing both when you weild or b) it requires you wear both to wield it. i can't remember off hand which it is. i'd like to hear/read your responces on this -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 2] Author : Kursk Date : 02-20-08 12:43 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) how do you guys who play 1st/2dn ED address PC's who have a higher str score than what the gauntlet provides? i.e. my PC has a str score of 19, however the Guantlets only provide a str of 18/00? In this case it doesn't help. also how do you address issues like Girdles/Blets of Giant STR + GOP? i know that one of the magical items in the DGM states that you either a) get a bonus for wearing both when you weild or b) it requires you wear both to wield it. i can't remember off hand which it is. i'd like to hear/read your responces on this They combine when using magic warhammers. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 3] Author : Varl Date : 02-21-08 11:29 AM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) how do you guys who play 1st/2dn ED address PC's who have a higher str score than what the gauntlet provides? i.e. my PC has a str score of 19, however the Guantlets only provide a str of 18/00? The Gauntlets don't do anything for a character with a 19 strength. also how do you address issues like Girdles/Blets of Giant STR + GOP? i know that one of the magical items in the DGM states that you either a) get a bonus for wearing both when you weild or b) it requires you wear both to wield it. i can't remember off hand which it is. It's B, and it's a Hammer of Thunderbolts. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 4] Author : adidamps2 Date : 02-21-08 04:45 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) ok thanks guys, i'm going through 3.XE detox and trying to get back into the swing of 2E rules. lol -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 5] Author : Kursk Date : 02-22-08 11:32 AM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) It's B, and it's a Hammer of Thunderbolts. Actually the text of the magic item in the 1st Ed DMG says "magic warhammers" not Hammer of Thunderbolts... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 6] Author : Varl Date : 02-22-08 11:46 AM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Actually the text of the magic item in the 1st Ed DMG says "magic warhammers" not Hammer of Thunderbolts... Well then he's covered regardless which edition he uses because the Hammer of Thunderbolts is the magic item he was questioning. 2e DMG p.183-184. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 7] Author : SamualT Barronsword Date : 02-22-08 05:03 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) how do you guys who play 1st/2dn ED address PC's who have a higher str score than what the gauntlet provides? i.e. my PC has a str score of 19, however the Guantlets only provide a str of 18/00? also how do you address issues like Girdles/Blets of Giant STR + GOP? i know that one of the magical items in the DGM states that you either a) get a bonus for wearing both when you weild or b) it requires you wear both to wield it. i can't remember off hand which it is. i'd like to hear/read your responces on this Here is how it works, as I understand it, for both 1e and 2e. In most cases, you only get the highest Strength bonus you are allowed from whichever single source is the best. So in your case, your 19 natural Strength trumps the gauntlets of ogre power. This remains the case in most instances where you try to wear gauntlets of ogre power with girdles of XXXXX giant strength and/or you have a high natural Strength. Whichever single source gives you the highest Strength trumps the other source(s). For some reason, due to the idiosynchrosies of magic as it works in first and second edition, I suppose, there is an exception to this rule. You kind of have to read both magic item description blocks in the DMG of either edition to figure out how this exception works though. In the description for the gauntlets it states "these guantlets are particularly desirable when combined with a girdle of giant strength and a hurled weapon." Bold face emphasis added. In the description of the girdles it states "The Strength gained is not cumulative with normal or magical bonuses except in combination with gauntlets of ogre power and a magical warhammer". Bold face emphasis added. Combining these two statements one can (at least I can) conclude that when wearing both and when throwing magical warhammers you can combine both the gauntlets and the girdles bonus's to attack and damage rolls. Example: The 18/00 strength from a girdle of ogre power bestows a +3 to hit, +6 to damage bonus. The 19 strength from a girdle of hill giant strength bestows a + 3 to hit, +7 to damage bonus. Normally when attacking with a sword or throwing a spear, you would only get the girdles Strength bonuses. When hurling a magical warhammer however, you would get a +6 bonus to hit and a +13 bonus to damage from the combined Strength bonuses of both the girdle and the gauntlet. Also, as Varl has said, there is indeed a magical warhammer that only achieves its full potential when both the gauntlets of ogre powerand a girdle of XXXXX giant strength are being worn (both editions). -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 8] Author : Mock26 Date : 02-24-08 12:32 AM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) I rule that the gauntlets supercede the natural strength of the character. So, a character with a 19 strength wearing Gauntlets of Ogre Power would have an 18/00 strength. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 9] Author : adidamps2 Date : 02-24-08 10:34 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) WOW! thanks guys for the over extensive explaination on how this works. i really appreciate it. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 10] Author : RedWizard Date : 03-05-08 03:52 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Also, as Varl has said, there is indeed a magical warhammer that only achieves its full potential when both the gauntlets of ogre powerand a girdle of XXXXX giant strength are being worn (both editions). Yep, that item is the Hammer of Thunderbolts which you get full benefit (Clap of thunder and lightning I believe, though I dont have my book with me) when wielded with both a girdle of giant strength and the gauntlets of ogre power. These two items are specificaly mentioned in the description for the Hammer in the 1st Ed. DMG. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 11] Author : Kursk Date : 03-06-08 01:32 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Yep, that item is the Hammer of Thunderbolts which you get full benefit (Clap of thunder and lightning I believe, though I dont have my book with me) when wielded with both a girdle of giant strength and the gauntlets of ogre power. These two items are specificaly mentioned in the description for the Hammer in the 1st Ed. DMG. Yep. In the description of Hammer of Thunderbolts. Description of either the girdle or gauntlet states "magical war hammers" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 12] Author : RedWizard Date : 03-06-08 03:01 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Yep. In the description of Hammer of Thunderbolts. Description of either the girdle or gauntlet states "magical war hammers" The use of magical warhammers to get the stacked str bonus was never in dispute. I was referring to the item earlier mentioned and the use of the gauntlets and girdle to activate it's full potentiol. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 13] Author : Kursk Date : 03-06-08 03:03 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Yep, the use of magical warhammers to get the stacked str bonus was never in dispute. I was referring to the item earlier mentioned and the use of the gauntlets and girdle to activate it's full potentiol. Yep, I understand now. As a side note I think the Hammer of thunderbolts was modeled off of the Hammer of Thor or, at least inspired by it... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 14] Author : RedWizard Date : 03-06-08 03:36 PM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) Yep, I understand now. As a side note I think the Hammer of thunderbolts was modeled off of the Hammer of Thor or, at least inspired by it... Oh definately, no doubt about it. It's Mjolnir-lite. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- [Post 15] Author : Etarnon Date : 03-16-08 01:00 AM Thread Title : Re: question on gauntlets of ogre power (GOP) 100% agree with SamualT Barronsword. Good research, there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Downloaded from Wizards Community (http://forums.gleemax.com) at 05-10-08 08:22 AM.