Also about LIving Vorteses and the deaths of the SK's.

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#1

kalthandrix

Jun 21, 2005 13:30:51
I created this thread because I did not want to post this on the "Living Vorteses" thread created by Jobo, because the content is much different- moving away from the creation and the SK interaction with LV's and more to do with the severing of the link between the two.

We all know a little about, in theory at least, the Living Vortexes and them being attached in some manner to the SK's. The question that I have is when an SK dies, what happens to the connection? And, what did happen to the LV's that were attached to the SK's that Rajaat whacked out?

I have a theory to both of these items, or at least thoughts on how they could be applied to the game.

I think that when an SK dies, the connection is severed resulting in the loss of the ability to grant spell to their templars- which might be why Kalak needed the two heads to grant spells for his peeps, if you hold to the theory that Kalak was an SK (hold that kank down so I can club it again and someone get a crossbow).

It might also explain why such powerful beings as the Dragon and SK’s have not come back to reclaim their cities- they were powerful enough to have clones and/or some other means to come back from the dead- and they have, but they have not returned to their cities due to the fact that they have lost their ability to grant spells, which allowed their templars to control the city-states and such.

With the other point I wanted to throw out there is what would, and maybe what did, happen when the Dragon and two (I think) SK got killed in a single location and such a short span of time.

I think, and have played with the idea, that with those deaths a wild surge of energy occurred a in the Astral (or Black, Grey, Inner, Outer, what have you) Plane as the connections were severed, and with the powerful psionic eruption of energy from each of the three killed mixed with this surge, creating a psionic consciousness that is now on Athas learning and observing, and perhaps is willing to work to restore Athas or destroy it.
#2

Sysane

Jun 21, 2005 13:44:50
I think, and have played with the idea, that with those deaths a wild surge of energy occurred a in the Astral (or Black, Grey, Inner, Outer, what have you) Plane as the connections were severed, and with the powerful psionic eruption of energy from each of the three killed mixed with this surge, creating a psionic consciousness...

Sounds similar to the events that caused the creation of the Caller of in the Darkness that lurks in the ruins of Giustenal.
#3

kalthandrix

Jun 21, 2005 13:50:55
And why not...the power of a whole city would be almost nothing to the power that those three beings were able to wield.

The Caller was also the result of the horror and pain that all of those people experiences as their life energy was ripped from them to fuel the SK's spells.
#4

ruhl-than_sage

Jun 21, 2005 15:06:17
which might be why Kalak needed the two heads to grant spells for his peeps, if you hold to the theory that Kalak was an SK (hold that kank down so I can club it again and someone get a crossbow).

You mean.... Scout :D .

Right! To the point of the post though; sounds reasonable to me that some great entity could have been created, though I doubt it would be benign. It would probalby reflect the nature of those killed.
#5

Sysane

Jun 21, 2005 15:53:22
I see them being more used as a tool by Rajaat. Don't forget, the SKs and Dragon died right where the Cerulean Storm formed.
#6

zombiegleemax

Jun 21, 2005 19:09:11
the living vortices were apparently meant to be be actual things that did not disappear on the associated sm's death, as per tec's living vortex. sorry to mention it guys, but its relevant . . .
#7

kalthandrix

Jun 22, 2005 6:24:10
the living vortices were apparently meant to be be actual things that did not disappear on the associated sm's death, as per tec's living vortex. sorry to mention it guys, but its relevant . . .

???

Where did you read this little gem of information Cap'n?
#8

joboo

Jun 22, 2005 8:25:48
When Dregoth died and became an undead SM, he had his living vortice reattached (I can't remember where I got this info, it makes sense any how).
#9

Sysane

Jun 22, 2005 8:48:08
When Dregoth died and became an undead SM, he had his living vortice reattached (I can't remember where I got this info, it makes sense any how).

I think its a safe bet to assume so long as there is a physical body (dead or alive) the LV stays anchored/bound to the SK.
#10

dracochapel

Jun 22, 2005 8:55:25
When Dregoth died and became an undead SM, he had his living vortice reattached (I can't remember where I got this info, it makes sense any how).

He wouldn't have needed it to be reattached , it never left him. He's the only SK to return as an undead and he kept the connection - he is a Kaisharga of such power as to return to (un)life from been killed. He never lost his power. His will - which i am sure is what attracted the vortices to each of the SK's in the first place - remained, able to defeat death itself. Any of the SK's who returned from the dead could still access the vortices. He's the only one (though i'm sure Kalid-Ma, as an example, could return, possessing a body through his/her orbs, and grant powers to its Templars)
#11

kalthandrix

Jun 22, 2005 8:59:13
I actually forgot about the Big Dead Dude :OMG!

Well, I still like my idea and could modify it to say that the attachment of the LV's stays with the body for a time, but after so long the connection is broken.

One could also think of it this way- the connection is anchored to the soul or essense of the SK's, kinda like the Silver Cord in the Astral Plane and could be severed if attacked in the correct manner.

This is just my
#12

dracochapel

Jun 22, 2005 9:22:21
Or the connection is to the will of the creature. after all dregoth died, and wyan and sacha became heads. and andropinis got sent to the black.
These were 15 men and women of such psychic and magical power that some bizarre extra-terrestrial creature tied itself to them. A creature that was powerful enough to grant the powers of all 4 Elements. If anything on Athas is a God it is the Living Vortex.
or the LV's are the power of a god but lacking the sentience of a god, so they attach themselves to the most powerful (most sentient) creatures in the world.
#13

zombiegleemax

Jun 22, 2005 11:17:40
heck... the energy released may even be enough to send a SK to Ravenloft ;)

pretty sound theory